The Jarvis Landry Thread: Bless 'Em

[Randolphkeys]

Most people define it as Julio/AB/OBJ/Aj Green type of talent though I feel.

I see that as the barrier, but in what way? There's very little difference in how OBJ plays and how Landry plays... they ran the same college routes. They have the same measurables. Perhaps the biggest difference is who played QB and called the plays in their NFL careers so far.

 

[FiveThous]

I see that as the barrier, but in what way? There's very little difference in how OBJ plays and how Landry plays... they ran the same college routes. They have the same measurables. Perhaps the biggest difference is who played QB and called the plays in their NFL careers so far.

Do you have different information than I have? PlayerProfiler doesn't even have in the same city, let alone the same street when it comes to measurables.

Unless you're strictly comparing weight/height that is.

 

[Lee]

His overall point was right though. Pretending like you can get Jarvis Landry production out of a day 3 WR is asinine, and yes the about 10 picks we've fucking wasted on day 3 WRs the last couple years are a proper example of that, particularly when some of that regime is still here.

The chances of a day 3 WR being good are about the same as flipping a coin and having it land on heads 10 times in a row.

That has a .01 chance of happening, or about 1 in 10,000.

I would think you have a far better chance than that, something like 1 in 50 so maybe 5 coin flips all landing heads, lol

Yes i know this makes me an asshat as i dont disagree with post outside the math that is way off to make a valid point.

 

[Lee]

Jarvis Landry is currently the third highest paid receiver in the NFL in terms of guaranteed money.

Is he anywhere near the third best WR in football? No, but he's still a capable player and a very good slot.

Generally speaking "they can afford it" isn't a good justification for overpaying by 25%, but it is what it is.

You really cant look at all the contracts and guaranteed money, you have to look at the most recent contracts. Every year contracts go up by 10%. SO next time Julio comes up, he will get the largest WR contract ever,

This contract is a factor of being a free agent next year, the Browns not wanting him to hit free agency and Jarvis being the latest pro bowl level WR to hit the market.

He is not getting paid wr super star money, just 1 tier down which is what he deserves.

 

[dark2332]

It's not that I really want to re-sign JG right now (we dont need to), it's that I think JG is going to neuter what Landry does. I don't see Landry as a WR1 and I think Gordon (if on the field) as a much better player. Thus, either Gordon kills his production, or Landry is forced to be a WR1 if Gordon fucks up and is a really average WR1 as he can't stretch the field.


I envision an 80 catch 800 yard season for Landry every season while JG is here. Is that worth 15 per over 5? Maybe Landry truly does unlock our offense and allows JG to go crazy and gives TT and our future QBs a security blanket that cannot be replicated.

I personally think you can get that same type of player/production next to JG for way less money.

I truly believe that if Josh Gordon, Jarvis Landry, and Tyrod Taylor stay on the field next year for all 16 games, we're going to have a chance that they both go for 1000 yards.

However, even if they don't, you have a 25 year old Pro-Bowler interested in you and you are incapable of spending all of your cap space. You take him. Every. Single. Time.

 

[Lee]

I bet DePodesta is in a bathroom stall crying, clutching a T1 calculator. "My money ball! My glistening plump money ball!"

When you get the chance to lock down a 25 year old #1 receiver and there's plenty of cap room to do it, jump on it. Too many college receivers fail at the next level once they are exposed to a different more complex system.

Too start, i dont think this is a bad contract.

But, is Jarvis a #1 receiver? I think outside guys like Gordon or Julio or AJ get that title.

But I would say he is either the best or 2nd best slot receiver in the NFL depending how you feel about Ftiz in his last year, and he is only 25.

He runs a great route and catches everything, if he ran a 4.3 like Gordon, Jarvis would have cost us 20 a year not 15.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Do you have different information than I have? PlayerProfiler doesn't even have in the same city, let alone the same street when it comes to measurables.

Unless you're strictly comparing weight/height that is.

Beckham would win the track meet, no doubt about that. But aside from stretching the field and having more yards after the catch, Landry has the same height, build, hand size, and release from the jam. I'd even argue there's a few things Landry does better. If there's a contested throw, I'd prefer Landry. Landry has also proven to be more durable.

We can play this game with plenty of receivers. Is Landry in the top 5-10 overall receivers? No, but he isn't far off. He keeps the chains moving and he doesn't drop the ball. If a team has speed elsewhere on the field and some quality red zone options, Landry can still be a vital part of sustaining drives. My main point here is that there is a difference between a #1 receiver on your fantasy football team and a #1 receiver in real life. I'd call Landry far and away Miami's #1 and now joins Gordon (sobriety pending) as 1a and 1b.

 

[Triplethreat]

If the Browns decide to utilize Landry down the field more than Miami did you’re going to see Landry is a #1... he’s an excellent route runner and phenomenal with the ball in his hands.

He’s got that quick twitch change of direction.

 

[Ohio]

That has a .01 chance of happening, or about 1 in 10,000.

I would think you have a far better chance than that, something like 1 in 50 so maybe 5 coin flips all landing heads, lol

Yes i know this makes me an asshat as i dont disagree with post outside the math that is way off to make a valid point.

Jarvis Landry is a pro bowl WR.

I bet the percentage of day 3 WRs that make the pro bowl are a hell of a lot lower than 2%.

 

[FiveThous]

If the Browns decide to utilize Landry down the field more than Miami did you’re going to see Landry is a #1... he’s an excellent route runner and phenomenal with the ball in his hands.

He’s got that quick twitch change of direction.

Horrible coaching by MIA if they were waiting to release the deep threat of Jarvis Landry for 4 years.

 

[Triplethreat]

Horrible coaching by MIA if they were waiting to release the deep threat of Jarvis Landry for 4 years.

Deep threat? No but he surely can run some deeper route trees more consistently.

 

[CBBI]

He is not getting paid wr super star money, just 1 tier down which is what he deserves.

He’s not getting paid superstar money? I’m sorry, but that doesn’t make one lick of sense. He got 47M guaranteed!

It’s the third biggest contract for a WR.

Look at the guys near him.

Dez Bryant and Demariyus Thomas aren’t getting anywhere close to Landry on their next deals.

Julio is already 29 and has three years left on his deal. No real incentive for the Falcons to give him an extension any time soon. Antonio Brown has three years left on his deal as well.

Odell Beckham and AJ Green will get bigger contracts within the next 12 months, but outside of them, who is realistically going to get a bigger contract in the next three years?

Landry is going to maintain his place in the top 5 highest paid WRs for the foreseeable future. He’s unquestionably being paid like superstar.

 

[Lee]

Jarvis Landry is a pro bowl WR.

I bet the percentage of day 3 WRs that make the pro bowl are a hell of a lot lower than 2%.

Last year alone 18 WR's taken on Day 3. I didnt do more research as we both know this is a silly argument, but fun.

Antonio Brown alone ruins that in the sense if he is the only reciever to make the pro bowl for 3 years, that gets you your 2%.

TY Hilton was a late 3rd round pick who also made it.

My point is we would have to go back to do the research, but i bet 2% or once every 3 drafts isnt too far off.

Wes Welker and Victor Cruz both made a probowl as UFA, not sure if you are counting that as they usually get signed on day 3, lol.

 

[Ohio]

Last year alone 18 WR's taken on Day 3. I didnt do more research as we both know this is a silly argument, but fun.

Antonio Brown alone ruins that in the sense if he is the only reciever to make the pro bowl for 3 years, that gets you your 2%.

TY Hilton was a late 3rd round pick who also made it.

My point is we would have to go back to do the research, but i bet 2% or once every 3 drafts isnt too far off.

Wes Welker and Victor Cruz both made a probowl as UFA, not sure if you are counting that as they usually get signed on day 3, lol.

3rd round isn't on day 3.

And no I would not count UDFA, because you aren't using draft picks on them.

I mean I'm pretty sure it's well below 2% but yeah I'm not gonna take the time to research that.

 

[Randolphkeys]

He’s not getting paid superstar money? I’m sorry, but that doesn’t make one lick of sense. He got 47M guaranteed!

It’s the third biggest contract for a WR.

Look at the guys near him.

Dez Bryant and Demariyus Thomas aren’t getting anywhere close to Landry on their next deals.

Julio is already 29 and has three years left on his deal. No real incentive for the Falcons to give him an extension any time soon. Antonio Brown has three years left on his deal as well.

Odell Beckham and AJ Green will get bigger contracts within the next 12 months, but outside of them, who is realistically going to get a bigger contract in the next three years?

Landry is going to maintain his place in the top 5 highest paid WRs for the foreseeable future. He’s unquestionably being paid like superstar.

Oh it's big money. However why are we pretending there is no tax for the Browns being so shitty? Tretter and Ziegler also received overpays, but they left good teams to join the Browns. There is a cost associated with that choice and it's been in place since 1999.