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Browns trade for Patriots' Jamie Collins

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No we have to resign a lot of players on defense like Hightower and Butker and Hightower is the qb of the defense. There was no way in hell BB was giving Collins a Miller type deal

I mean...you are agreeing with him...Pats weren't going to pay a Brinks load of money for Jones or Collins, because they'd rather give it to multiple guys, like Butler and Hightower...that is exactly why they moved the 2 of them. They weren't going to build the defense around one of them and not pay the majority of the others.

Also...Randy Moss was better in 84
 
Plenty of quality Browns players wanted to leave in free agency to get away from toxic losing and a toxic environment.
This is true of only Alex Mack unless you disbelieve everything Schwartz/Benjamin etc said. They wanted to stay here. The front office didn't value them at the contracts they were given. I also don't think Mack wanting to leave had anything to do with losing since he signed a transition tag with Jacksonville before they even had Bortles. Dude was just a chode.

Also none of them (with the exception of Schwartz) were good enough to warrant a franchise tag. Collins clearly is. If they want him here, he's here.
 
No we have to resign a lot of players on defense like Hightower and Butker and Hightower is the qb of the defense. There was no way in hell BB was giving Collins a Miller type deal

Your defense is going to suck balls without him. They were already struggling quite a bit. Thank You for giving us your best defensive player, while also punting on another Super Bowl.

Cleveland Rocks.
 
This is true of only Alex Mack unless you disbelieve everything Schwartz/Benjamin etc said. They wanted to stay here. The front office didn't value them at the contracts they were given. I also don't think Mack wanting to leave had anything to do with losing since he signed a transition tag with Jacksonville before they even had Bortles. Dude was just a chode.

Also none of them (with the exception of Schwartz) were good enough to warrant a franchise tag. Collins clearly is. If they want him here, he's here.

I've been hearing this problem dating back to Holmgren.
 
Browns got a 4th round pick for a punter and traded a compensatory 3rd for a one of the best LBs in the league..

Not to mention getting a 5th for Mingo, then giving up a compensatory 3rd for Jaime Collins. I saw on twitter that the draft value is basically Mingo and a 4th for Jaime Collins. I'll take that deal every single time.
 
PFF:

The Cleveland Browns took advantage of the unorthodox personnel approach of the New England Patriots on Monday, pulling off a trade-coup to bring in LB Jamie Collins in exchange for what Adam Schefter is reporting to be a third-round compensatory pick.

The Browns have draft picks to burn, and Jamie Collins has been one of the league’s best young linebackers over the past couple of seasons. He is in the last year of his deal, so Cleveland will also need to front up with a big contract extension, or use the franchise tag on Collins this offseason. Either way, they now have a legitimate Pro-Bowl talent on their roster that wasn’t there before they pulled the trigger.

Even if the Browns can’t work a deal for Collins and he walks as a free agent this offseason, they likely recoup what it cost to trade for him in compensatory picks when he signs a big contract elsewhere.

Collins earned the 11th-best overall grade among NFL linebackers in 2014, with an 87.9 mark, and the seventh-best grade a year ago, at 88.6. While LB Dont’a Hightower might be the player the Patriots want to hitch their wagon to defensively, Collins is the more physically gifted of the duo.



That athleticism allows him to make impressive plays in all areas of the game. Like Hightower, the Patriots used Collins on the blitz a lot, and he notched six sacks and 16 total pressures in 2015 when rushing the passer—without lining up as a traditional edge rusher. He has shown the ability to run down the field with tight ends, running backs, and even receivers and make plays in coverage, and can defend the run well. In 2015, Collins earned solid grades in every facet of play that PFF measures.

Only five linebackers allowed a lower passer rating into their coverage than Collins in 2015 (79.9), around 25 points lower than the average for LBs. In 2014, it was even better (74.1, fourth-best). So far in 2016, Collins has lowered that mark to 57.1, second-best among all linebackers this season.

Collins is an impact player, and one that has the talent to excel at the most important area of the modern game: coverage.

This season, some are questioning his level of play, but while he had a poor outing against Buffalo, it was his first bad game of the season. His grade of 88.3 right now ranks ninth among linebackers, and is actually ahead of where he was a year ago at this time.

New England actually started Elandon Roberts against the Bills, though he played only 28 snaps to Collins’ 47 over the course of the game. Roberts has shown well in limited snaps so far this season—in particular against Cleveland in Week 5—but he certainly gives the Patriots a player they expect can take over for Collins without much, if any, drop in production.

New England Patriots’ nickel defense



That of course is important for a team that is the Super Bowl favorite right now. Roberts has played well so far, but the chances of him being able to live up to the standards Collins has set over the past few seasons are slim. We would be talking about a sixth-round rookie playing like a top-10 linebacker right off the bat, after all.

For the Patriots, this move will almost certainly have a negative impact on their defense—they are just banking on it not being a significant one. For the Browns, Collins immediately becomes the best player on their defense, and one of the most athletically-gifted, too.

Cleveland Browns’ base defense



Cleveland has added a top-10 talent at the linebacker position, and has half a season to work out how best to integrate him going forward before they sign him to a long-term deal or franchise tag him to keep him around.

This is a confusing trade for a lot of reasons, but there are logical factors and business decisions behind it from both sides. The Patriots clearly believed there was no future with Collins in New England, and chose to cash in now rather than lose him in the offseason and wait for the compensatory draft pick a year down the line.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-how-significant-is-loss-of-jamie-collins-to-patriots-defense/
 
You don't believe this do you? Patriots are still the favorites in the AFC and that's before Dion Lewis comes back.

Your defense is going to suck balls without him. They were already struggling quite a bit. Thank You for giving us your best defensive player, while also punting on another Super Bowl.

Cleveland Rocks.


I mean...you are agreeing with him...Pats weren't going to pay a Brinks load of money for Jones or Collins, because they'd rather give it to multiple guys, like Butler and Hightower...that is exactly why they moved the 2 of them. They weren't going to build the defense around one of them and not pay the majority of the others.

Also...Randy Moss was better in 84

Ya we agree and you're right you build the defense with Hightower and Butler. That doesn't happen if we give Collins that's type of money.
 
Can Lombardi be more transparent? There couldn't be more incentive for him to tear-down Collins here.
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Did he give Giselle the schlong or something? Why would Big Bill trade him away?

Love the move especially with the cap space we have to sign him up long term.

Now have more room to use our other high picks not on a LB.

He wants Miller/Vernon money, it's not going to happen with Pats. And Elandon Roberts looks pretty great right now.
 
So what did Lombardi actually say?
 
So what did Lombardi actually say?
Things like "We're as good as you want us to be, Jamie" or "Jamie had a tendency to go off script and blow assignments"

I'm slightly paraphrasing but that was the extent of it. Basically it was shade to make BB look like a genius per the norm. It's about the only "job" Mike can hold onto it seems.
 

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