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How can you say that coaching doesn't matter? Look at how much better Goff looks this year with good coaching versus last year with terrible coaching. Coaching definitely matters, and good coaching elevates the level of play of your talent.

To quote Belichick, still a players league. No coach can win with zero talent.

The talent sucks.

No one can blame Hue we aren't in the playoffs. We can blame him for having ONE win though in his pathetic tenure.

He sucks, make no mistake.

But no one is winning with Kizer at QB.
 
But no one is winning with Kizer at QB.

You can...but you have to be an organization so good at finding talent at all the other 21 positions plus special teams? That it masks any flaws

The Steelers went to a Super Bowl, Conference Championship Games, Division Titles with the following at QB:

-Mark Malone
-Neil O'Donnell
-Kordell Stewart
-Tommy Maddox

But again....you'd have to somehow nail every other position and have some future hof'ers at said positions.

It's easier to find freak of nature talent at 1 guy than doing the above though.
 
You can...but you have to be an organization so good at finding talent at all the other 21 positions plus special teams? That it masks any flaws

The Steelers went to a Super Bowl, Conference Championship Games, Division Titles with the following at QB:

-Mark Malone
-Neil O'Donnell
-Kordell Stewart
-Tommy Maddox

But again....you'd have to somehow nail every other position and have some future hof'ers at said positions.

It's easier to find freak of nature talent at 1 guy than doing the above though.

Not in this era. Where QB's are required to play at least at a good level.

Unless you have a historically all-time great defense. Which is hard to get in today's game.

It's also telling that Kizer can't protect the football at all.

There have been limited QB's talent wise, that at least make it in the league because they learn to at least protect the ball.

Kizer can't do that. He's Brett Favre without any of the talent.

How many times does this fucking idiot throw in double coverage, and not look off the safety?

You can say "he's young and learning" but that's this thing, he makes the same mistake over and over.

He's just not good.
 
He's just not good.

Well yeah.

I wasn't endorsing Kizer as a solution at all. Rather saying there's certain organizations in the NFL that can reach decent seasons with mediocre QB play.

The 2.0 Browns are not one of those teams. They are a team that has needed to address this position in full since 2004.
 
Well yeah.

I wasn't endorsing Kizer as a solution at all. Rather saying there's certain organizations in the NFL that can reach decent seasons with mediocre QB play.

The 2.0 Browns are not one of those teams. They are a team that has needed to address this position in full since 2004.

To be fair, what the Browns are getting is not mediocre QB play. They are getting pitiful, embarrassing QB play. Brian Hoyer gave them mediocre QB play and was 10-6 as the Browns starting QB. This shit show makes Brian Hoyer look like Joe Montana.
 

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