Building a Gaming PC

[David.]

Sounds like the graphics chip could be going out. Do you know if it's intel, nvidia or amd?

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Lol I have an hq, it's three years old and I got it at Walmart for 300 if that helps

 

[TyGuy]

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Lol I have an hq, it's three years old and I got it at Walmart for 300 if that helps

Most likely an integrated chip. Go into your device manager and tell me what it says under video.

 

[David.]

I will when I get home.. why do you say no to the other ideas ? And what's the potential damage $

 

[TyGuy]

Everybody that is interested in building a gaming pc needs to watch this video and subscribe to this channel. It highlights the differences between i7 and i5 that @gourimoko was talking about. It would be ludicrous to opt for the i5 nowadays. It also highlights something we haven't talked about and that's what memory speeds effect on gaming performance.

I would opt for either a skylake or kabylake i7 and buy the fastest memory you can afford when building a new system.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43g3OTK2AbE

 

[Chris]

So get i7. Got it.

 

[gourimoko]

So get i7. Got it.

i7 on Z170.. with an M.2 Samsung 950 or better SSD...

But seriously, if you wait until March, Ryzen will likely be shitting full force on Skylake/KabyLake... they claim it performs like a 5960X... a $1k CPU.. And they claim it'll be at a comparative price point to current i7's, so around $300....

If that's true, and it appears that it is, then everything will change... and that's just in March, or about 6 weeks from now.

Even if you just want a mid-level PC, Ryzen is going to drive prices WAY down as many people sell their Skylakes for the new Zen architecture from AMD...

 

[TyGuy]

i7 on Z170.. with an M.2 Samsung 950 or better SSD...

But seriously, if you wait until March, Ryzen will likely be shitting full force on Skylake/KabyLake... they claim it performs like a 5960X... a $1k CPU.. And they claim it'll be at a comparative price point to current i7's, so around $300....

If that's true, and it appears that it is, then everything will change... and that's just in March, or about 6 weeks from now.

Even if you just want a mid-level PC, Ryzen is going to drive prices WAY down as many people sell their Skylakes for the new Zen architecture from AMD...

It's worth it to wait for sure. I still don't have full faith in amd. I hope it's as good as they say it is.

 

[gourimoko]

It's worth it to wait for sure. I still don't have full faith in amd. I hope it's as good as they say it is.

Yep, agreed 100%...

Now is not the time to build a PC unless you're getting exceptional deals or you're comfortable reselling the parts at a slight loss later on down the road.... But with the 1080 Ti coming in March, Ryzen coming in March, and Vega coming in May; it's just an odd bubble of sorts now.

EVGA is assuring people to continue to buy their graphics cards and they'll let you upgrade if you just pay the difference. So you could buy a 980 or a 1080 today, and then upgrade to the 1080 Ti in 6 weeks....

 

[TyGuy]

Something that has me concerned with ryzen is the lower clockspeed. That's the trade off with more cores though. I just don't see how amd is going to compete with intel on a clock by clock basis in single threaded performance which is still very relevant.

 

[TyGuy]

I will when I get home.. why do you say no to the other ideas ? And what's the potential damage $

It just sounds like a symptom of failing video. Whenever mine failed my screen would go black and I would get artifacting. Replacing the video card solved it. Unfortunately you can do less tinkering with a laptop, so that means buying a new one. You can't just replace the gpu.

 

[Coyote850]

Good shit. I'll let him know.

To add to Gouri's great advice............. Tell your friend to spend a couple hundred more and get the Ben Q 27 inch, 144hz, 1ms monitor. Something like the model XL2730Z. If he's gonna go with a duel monitor setup, he might as well go big. I have 1 Ben Q and I love it.

 

[TyGuy]

Gsync plus high refreshrate. I can't say this enough. If both screen tearing and input lags chaps your ass then this is the greatest tech that has hit gaming in forever. It's the holly grail to me.

 

[gourimoko]

Something that has me concerned with ryzen is the lower clockspeed. That's the trade off with more cores though. I just don't see how amd is going to compete with intel on a clock by clock basis in single threaded performance which is still very relevant.

Just be aware that clock speed is not an indication of the total number of IPS or OPS a computer can perform. AMD chips like the K5 and Athlon used to lag behind Intel chips for over a decade with respect to raw clock speed, but could perform more instructions and operations per second than their counterpart; thus, they were more powerful even at the lower clock speed.

So architecture here is going to be far far more important.

The Ryzen architecture is being compared to the 5960X, which has an average overclock around 4.4-4.5 Ghz; some folks can even get 4.7 out of it. 8 Haswell-E cores at 4.5 Ghz with hyper-threading is a vastly superior platform than 4 Skylake/Kaby Lake cores with HE at 4.8-5.0 Ghz.

The performance difference here is also interesting. You can see between 10-20% faster single-threaded performance across two max clocked Skylake vs Haswell-E chips; however, the vast majority of that performance difference is not in the clock but instead in the architectural difference between Skylake and Haswell-E. You can see this by comparing a 5960X directly against the 4790 using identical clocks as mentioned above and noting that there's only about a 6-7% difference due to the higher clocks; yet again, the Haswell-E offers 100% greater workload capacity.

If we're talking about games, then a game that is highly parallelizable, it will run vastly better on 8 cores than 4.

 

[gourimoko]

Gsync plus high refreshrate. I can't say this enough. If both screen tearing and input lags chaps your ass then this is the greatest tech that has hit gaming in forever. It's the holly grail to me.

To add to Gouri's great advice............. Tell your friend to spend a couple hundred more and get the Ben Q 27 inch, 144hz, 1ms monitor. Something like the model XL2730Z. If he's gonna go with a duel monitor setup, he might as well go big. I have 1 Ben Q and I love it.

Agreed.

Using the ASUS PG279Q @ 100hz w/Gsync... 100hz on the desktop, for just doing WORK is a life saver on my eyes.. Playing games in ultra-wide 3440x1440p is phenomenal... But.. it's an expensive fucking monitor, so... it's not likely what everyone would wanna buy.

 

[TyGuy]

Just be aware that clock speed is not an indication of the total number of IPS or OPS a computer can perform. AMD chips like the K5 and Athlon used to lag behind Intel chips for over a decade with respect to raw clock speed, but could perform more instructions and operations per second than their counterpart; thus, they were more powerful even at the lower clock speed.

So architecture here is going to be far far more important.

The Ryzen architecture is being compared to the 5960X, which has an average overclock around 4.4-4.5 Ghz; some folks can even get 4.7 out of it. 8 Haswell-E cores at 4.5 Ghz with hyper-threading is a vastly superior platform than 4 Skylake/Kaby Lake cores with HE at 4.8-5.0 Ghz.

The performance difference here is also interesting. You can see between 10-20% faster single-threaded performance across two max clocked Skylake vs Haswell-E chips; however, the vast majority of that performance difference is not in the clock but instead in the architectural difference between Skylake and Haswell-E. You can see this by comparing a 5960X directly against the 4790 using identical clocks as mentioned above and noting that there's only about a 6-7% difference due to the higher clocks; yet again, the Haswell-E offers 100% greater workload capacity.

If we're talking about games, then a game that is highly parallelizable, it will run vastly better on 8 cores than 4.

Oh I remember. I use to own nothing but amd until core 2 came out and intel has wiped the floor with amd ever since. I just don't have confidence that amd can do more per clock than intel at this juncture, but we shall see.