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Cavs Trade Joe Harris to Orlando

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Simon said:
We really need a new safari thread now. I miss those (sometimes).
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LeBron Safari really had to be the last one. Will never be topped.

Unless we do a Larry O'Brien Safari.
 
shoes22 said:
I've read it multiple times. Can you point me to the section about draft pick value in trades?
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In all trades (no matter how many teams are involved), each team must send out and take back at least one of the following:
  • A player under contract.
  • A future draft pick. If a pick is protected (see question number 87), then no more than 55 picks in a single draft can be protected.
  • The draft rights to an "NBA prospect" -- a player with a reasonable chance of becoming an NBA player during his career, or a contributing player in a reputable professional league (as determined by the league office).
  • The right to swap unencumbered picks in a future draft.
  • $75,000 or more.
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http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q82
 
col63onel said:
LeBron Safari really had to be the last one. Will never be topped.

Unless we do a Larry O'Brien Safari.
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It should almost be retired Bc of that one..

But they're so much fun, Ya can't. All the previous safari were just practice.. by the time the chosen one had his, we were a well oilled machine..

Had our owners private jet tracked.. won some members some good money betting futures Bc we knew he'd be here before VEGAS did

I started posting here Bc of the amare safari.
 
This is good news. I had speculated that the Cavs would have to give up more $ to get rid of him and clear the roster spot, which is something they were clearly going to do once Cunningham was guaranteed. I thought it might be somewhat tricky, since they presumably needed to find a team that had both a TPE that could slot his $845M salary and an open roster spot, and Eric Pincus pretty much confirmed that this was the case. I never took the time to scour the league to see how many teams met both conditions. Now it's immaterial.

The second round pick swap is immaterial, and in fact the 2020 pick the Cavs acquired (Portland) surely has a better chance of conveying than the 2017 Sac pick. As someone else pointed out, it's sort of odd the Cavs included the 2017 Sac pick since it wasn't required to make it a legal trade, but whatever.
 
^^ The reason the Cavs included the pick was because Orlando didn't want to lose a pick that had no chance of being conveyed for Joe Harris.

Basically the price for Harris is so negative that we have to include other assets just to get rid of him.

Like the trade. It opens up a spot for a buyout, and to use the Haywood TPE.
 
KilgoreTrout said:
How does that deal work? We trade three things, and get one thing back, of value equal to ONE of the things we gave a way. Subtracting the second-round picks from both sides of the equation, we gave up Harris and cash for NOTHING. How is that a legal trade?

Edit: I understand how it BENEFITS us, but I don't understand how it works out, in terms of assets/salaries.
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The picks settle any trade requirements, since each team sends one out and each team receives one. The rest doesn't matter as long as salaries are within 150% for Orlando, as a non tax paying team.

So the picks make the trade check the box from a CBA perspective and the number of assets don't really mean anything as long as the basic requirement for a trade is met.

The Cavs weren't taking players or salary back, so none of that matters from their perspective (salary matching). As long as they move a player or a pick, they could send out as many other assets as they want, so long as salaries match up for the receiving team and Orlando agrees.

In this instance, the Cavs were accepting a TPE equal to Harris' salary instead of taking back a player. The money they sent out was simply to make Orlando want to help us save money and a roster spot.

The reason draft picks were involved is because Orlando was using the TPE, which alone, doesn't satisfy the CBA. The Magic obviously didn't want to lose a pick for Joe Harris, so the Cavs kicked an indentically protected pick in, so it was just TPE for Harris and Cash.

One side note to this is it shows the value of a TPE when a team is desperate. Orlando got $1 million in cash and a young player for nothing, just because they had a TPE and an open roster spot. Hopefully the Cavs can now turn around and do the same. We'll see.
 
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I'mWithDan said:
The picks settle any trade requirements, since each team sends one out and each team receives one. The rest doesn't matter as long as salaries are within 150% for Orlando, as a non tax paying team.

So the picks make the trade check the box from a CBA perspective and the number of assets don't really mean anything as long as the basic requirement for a trade is met.

The Cavs weren't taking players or salary back, so none of that matters from their perspective (salary matching). As long as they move a player or a pick, they could send out as many other assets as they want, so long as salaries match up and the other team agrees.

In this instance,!the Cavs were accepting a TPE equal to Harris' salary instead of taking back a player. The money they sent out was simply to make Orlando want to help us save money and a roster spot.
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To piggy back on this, remember the Jon Leuer trade?

Cavs got Speights, Ellington, and a future 1st for a non-rotation guy. That's a fleecing, except it cost Gilbert some money and saved the Griz owner a bunch of money.

Same thing here. This trade saved the Cavs a few million, even though Portland got the best asset. When you are rebuilding, you charge teams to use your cap space.
 
Real Deal said:
3 Mil is pennies to Gilbert. This is set up for another move.
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3 Million dollars is 3 million dollars. Don't care how much money you have. Joe Harris seemed like a nice dude and all. But whenever he got some garbage time minutes he seemed extremely out of place. Maybe he'll be able to carve out an NBA career somewhere else. But the kid is going to need minutes and put a lot of hours in the gym.

Let's hope they can use leverage this open roster spot for a center that can play a little defense and provide 6 fouls. Ala Kendrick Perkins.
 
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