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Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

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This will be the summary of Osweiler's career as a Brown.


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First 19 starts played 53% completion rate, 3,217 yards, 11 TDs to 21 INTs,


First 21 starts played 60% completion rate, 4,924 yards, 25 TDs to 22 INTs


First 26 games as a QB 53% completion rate, 4,261 yards, 25 TDs to 29 INTs



Edit: Not sure why, but my spoiler part isn't showing up for me lol
 
sportscoach said:
First 19 starts played 53% completion rate, 3,217 yards, 11 TDs to 21 INTs,


First 21 starts played 60% completion rate, 4,924 yards, 25 TDs to 22 INTs


First 26 games as a QB 53% completion rate, 4,261 yards, 25 TDs to 29 INTs



Edit: Not sure why, but my spoiler part isn't showing up for me lol
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This really isn't a good comparison at all.
Tampa bay was train wreck and young backed up Montana for 3 or 4 years. and even then he had to compete with Steve Bono.

so if your saying Oswieler should sit behind a great quarterback until he is 30. then I am all for that.

Bill Walsh liked what he saw out of Young and that is why he traded for him.

The Browns traded for Osweiler to get picks.

Furthermore no one in Cleveland gives a damn about what John Elway has to say.
 
Tornicade said:
This really isn't a good comparison at all.
Tampa bay was train wreck and young backed up Montana for 3 or 4 years. and even then he had to compete with Steve Bono.

so if your saying Oswieler should sit behind a great quarterback until he is 30. then I am all for that.

Bill Walsh liked what he saw out of Young and that is why he traded for him.

The Browns traded for Osweiler to get picks.

Furthermore no one in Cleveland gives a damn about what John Elway has to say.
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My biggest point is the fact that a players talent may not show until he is in the right situation for him. If Young stayed in Tampa, I doubt he would have turned into anything at all. Also Houston is more of a train wreck than Cleveland is right and this year will prove it. He would have been fired if he was a coach in our Division since there is no way he could have competed and won against Bengals, Steelers and Ravens the last few seasons. If you watch the interaction between Osweiler and the head coach in Houston, it was bad blood between them which tells me the FO decided on Osweiler while the coach didn't or O'Brien just like to get in fights with his QBs since he has had a verbal fight with all of them that he has had starting for the most part.
 
sportscoach said:
My biggest point is the fact that a players talent may not show until he is in the right situation for him. If Young stayed in Tampa, I doubt he would have turned into anything at all. Also Houston is more of a train wreck than Cleveland is right and this year will prove it. He would have been fired if he was a coach in our Division since there is no way he could have competed and won against Bengals, Steelers and Ravens the last few seasons. If you watch the interaction between Osweiler and the head coach in Houston, it was bad blood between them which tells me the FO decided on Osweiler while the coach didn't or O'Brien just like to get in fights with his QBs since he has had a verbal fight with all of them that he has had starting for the most part.
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Id like to point out that Young was a much better prospect than Brock could have ever dreamed of being. Young was an incredible QB at BYU and Brock was kind of just a guy at ASU. Young had at least shown elite production at a certain level, Brock has never shown a hint of good production.
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
Id like to point out that Young was a much better prospect than Brock could have ever dreamed of being. Young was an incredible QB at BYU and Brock was kind of just a guy at ASU. Young had at least shown elite production at a certain level, Brock has never shown a hint of good production.
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True, not going to dispute that one bit, but when you are in the wrong situation, no matter how talented you, are going to fail. I want to see Osweiler in a much better situation before I actually say if he is terrible since Houston was just a very bad place for him.
 
CleveRocks said:
Did not see Garippolo in this..
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To save time I limited it to picks #52 or higher. (Kizer's slot). Osweiler is also not on the list nor any other 2nd rounder. They have all sucked, regardless of whether or not they started as rookies.
 
sportscoach said:
True, not going to dispute that one bit, but when you are in the wrong situation, no matter how talented you, are going to fail. I want to see Osweiler in a much better situation before I actually say if he is terrible since Houston was just a very bad place for him.
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What about the Houston situation was so terrible?

He joined an elite defense, a guy with a strong offensive system, talented weapons around him, and he was still the worst player on the team. He couldn't pick up the offense, he made horrible reads, he was inaccurate, and somehow that's because of his situation?

The Texans are a super bowl contender last season with a good quarterback. The Browns went 1-15. Yet, somehow, you're arguing he's now in a better situation?
 
sportscoach said:
My biggest point is the fact that a players talent may not show until he is in the right situation for him. If Young stayed in Tampa, I doubt he would have turned into anything at all. Also Houston is more of a train wreck than Cleveland is right and this year will prove it. He would have been fired if he was a coach in our Division since there is no way he could have competed and won against Bengals, Steelers and Ravens the last few seasons. If you watch the interaction between Osweiler and the head coach in Houston, it was bad blood between them which tells me the FO decided on Osweiler while the coach didn't or O'Brien just like to get in fights with his QBs since he has had a verbal fight with all of them that he has had starting for the most part.
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Cant believe I have to mention this but, typically the right situation for a QB is a dominate defense aand good recieving core.

He had that in both Denver and Houston. If those were not the right situation for Brock, not sure where would be.
Steve Young played on a historically bad Tampa Team. Its why I dont think Tim Couch was as bad as many claim, he could have a Steve Young "light" type turn around if he had the opportunity to go to a winner.

PS, I also use the Steve Young example to show hoe over rated Montana is. Sure he is a great qb, but all time great? No way, in that system with that talent lots of QB's could of won including Steve Young.
 
Lee said:
Cant believe I have to mention this but, typically the right situation for a QB is a dominate defense aand good recieving core.

He had that in both Denver and Houston. If those were not the right situation for Brock, not sure where would be.
Steve Young played on a historically bad Tampa Team. Its why I dont think Tim Couch was as bad as many claim, he could have a Steve Young "light" type turn around if he had the opportunity to go to a winner.

PS, I also use the Steve Young example to show hoe over rated Montana is. Sure he is a great qb, but all time great? No way, in that system with that talent lots of QB's could of won including Steve Young.
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Denver was the right situation, but Houston was not and I believe it was cause of the coach. O'Brien has gone through more starting QBs than any other team (including the Browns) since he took over. Last season was the first season he didn't have an true offensive Cordinator and their was a fair amount of personal conflict between Osweiler and O'Brien if you could get film of the sidelines especially as the year went along. Osweiler even admitted his fundamentals slipped in Houston and part of the blame could be the issues with the head coach he was having.

Right now Tom Savage should be the starter for the Texans, but don't be surprised if as soon as he has a bad day, Watson will be put in. It's almost like he has absolutely no patients with his QBs and as soon as the have a bad day he switches to the next guy. There wasn't something right on that sideline between O'Brien and Osweiler and it seems like O'Brien has had a smiliar issue with all the QBs he has had there. Cleveland is a better spot to go than Houston if you are a QB.
 
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