Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

[Triplethreat]

Denver was the right situation, but Houston was not and I believe it was cause of the coach. O'Brien has gone through more starting QBs than any other team (including the Browns) since he took over. Last season was the first season he didn't have an true offensive Cordinator and their was a fair amount of personal conflict between Osweiler and O'Brien if you could get film of the sidelines especially as the year went along. Osweiler even admitted his fundamentals slipped in Houston and part of the blame could be the issues with the head coach he was having.

Right now Tom Savage should be the starter for the Texans, but don't be surprised if as soon as he has a bad day, Watson will be put in. It's almost like he has absolutely no patients with his QBs and as soon as the have a bad day he switches to the next guy. There wasn't something right on that sideline between O'Brien and Osweiler and it seems like O'Brien has had a smiliar issue with all the QBs he has had there. Cleveland is a better spot to go than Houston if you are a QB.

I hope you realize that Bill O'Brien isn't the only coach coaching the QB's in Houston. In face he's not even the main one....

This is such a ridiculous excuse for a guy being shitty. You could literally use this excuse for any QB to ever put on a helmet that was fucking awful.

 

[AZ_]

I hope you realize that Bill O'Brien isn't the only coach coaching the QB's in Houston. In face he's not even the main one....

This is such a ridiculous excuse for a guy being shitty. You could literally use this excuse for any QB to ever put on a helmet that was fucking awful.

It's lazier than saying the inability to audible "is obvious in the game film" during a game where QBs aren't fucking calling audibles.

 

[Kbiz]

Yep, the hot takes without any real substance are starting to get old when i come here looking for actual articles / camp updates, etc. I am all about informed arguing but a bunch of hyperbole and heresay has been filling just about every Browns topic recently.

Not trying to pile on anyone but perhaps we can create a separate thread titled, "2017 Browns Season Predictions" considering that's all I've seen on here the last few weeks. Even calling them predictions is being nice at this point.

 

[Randolphkeys]

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That's the modern sports world. You have a bad moment - and we agree that was really really bad - that's all people take away from the performance if they want. If you are a second round pick playing against the opponent's scrubs in the second half of a preseason game and connect on a 50 yard touchdown, the internet can make sure that's all fans see. We live in a media world of hueretics.

Fortunately Hoyer has put together some good moments as 49er so far, word out of the practice field has all been positive. They are going to be near the bottom of the NFL in talent, but Hoyer won't be challenged as a starter this season.

 

[Sebastian]

Osweiller really tightening his grip on QB1.

25 yards on six completions. Electric.

 

[MirORich]

One thing that concerned me about Kizer was it seemed like he wasn't getting the team out of the huddle until about just 13-14 seconds on the play clock on the majority of snaps. That will present a lot of problems when the schemes and pressure of the regular season kick in.

Then again, if Brock can't put any points on the board, it doesn't matter if he has us breaking the huddle crisply at 22 seconds every play.

Still think you give Brock at least the first 4 games. If he sputters miserably and Kizer is locked in and progressing in the qb room, film study, and practice as backup, then maybe you make the change in week 5 at home against the Jets.

 

[Triplethreat]

don't think that's happening. Hue said he wants to lay it to rest this coming week and name our opening week starter.

He also said the starter needed to show he can score points, and that the only way to clean up the offense is through reps going to the best guy so he can perfect his game.

It'll be Kizer. No one has shown anything otherwise.

View: https://twitter.com/maksimuspatrick/status/899834748406779905

 

[Sebastian]

don't think that's happening. Hue said he wants to lay it to rest this coming week and name our opening week starter.

He also said the starter needed to show he can score points, and that the only way to clean up the offense is through reps going to the best guy so he can perfect his game.

It'll be Kizer. No one has shown anything otherwise.

View: https://twitter.com/maksimuspatrick/status/899834748406779905

By Wednesday Osweiller will be playing for the Canton Charge.

 

[MirORich]

don't think that's happening. Hue said he wants to lay it to rest this coming week and name our opening week starter.

He also said the starter needed to show he can score points, and that the only way to clean up the offense is through reps going to the best guy so he can perfect his game.

It'll be Kizer. No one has shown anything otherwise.

View: https://twitter.com/maksimuspatrick/status/899834748406779905

Don't think the entirety of the evaluation of scoring points will come based on the first quarter of two preseason games.

Kizer's TD this game came after inheriting the ball on the Giants 28 yard line. His two TDs last week came against the third string of one of last years worst defenses.

Now, perhaps Hue and the coaches talk, take the temperature or the vets on Offense one more time and decide to go with Kizer, but if they do it won't be based solely or even primarily on the TD drives in these first two games.

I still think to start out and to show the team as a whole that this is a "expecting to win season" and not a "develop and let the record fall where it may" season, you have to go with the guy who has the best command of the offense and who has had the most consistent training camp.

If after 4-6 games that guy is just epicly struggling and holding the team back, then make the change.

Now that said, I'm excited by the raw tools and poise DeShone shows in dealing with the media. He's the youngest QB in the NFL in his first training camp and I thin to a degree he has actually exceeded expectations. Just not sure if that means he's the best choice to start week one in Pittsburgh.

 

[chrisrich91]

One thing that concerned me about Kizer was it seemed like he wasn't getting the team out of the huddle until about just 13-14 seconds on the play clock on the majority of snaps. That will present a lot of problems when the schemes and pressure of the regular season kick in.

Then again, if Brock can't put any points on the board, it doesn't matter if he has us breaking the huddle crisply at 22 seconds every play.

Still think you give Brock at least the first 4 games. If he sputters miserably and Kizer is locked in and progressing in the qb room, film study, and practice as backup, then maybe you make the change in week 5 at home against the Jets.

Right. And what's really awesome to hear is that Kizer pointed that out as an area that needs improvement moving forward.

He said "I've been in the 12-13 second range and I really need to bump that up to 16-20 seconds."

 

[Maximus]

By Wednesday Osweiller will be playing for the Canton Charge.

My fear is by week 2-3 that Kizer will be on the IR...

 

[Sebastian]

My fear is by week 2-3 that Kizer will be on the IR...

He needs to slide dammit.

He is too puny to take that many hits.

 

[Phills14]

My fear is by week 2-3 that Kizer will be on the IR...

He's a Browns QB, of course he's going to be on the IR after 3 games. Way to out on a limb there @Maximus

 

[Tornicade]

Cant believe I have to mention this but, typically the right situation for a QB is a dominate defense aand good recieving core.

He had that in both Denver and Houston. If those were not the right situation for Brock, not sure where would be.
Steve Young played on a historically bad Tampa Team. Its why I dont think Tim Couch was as bad as many claim, he could have a Steve Young "light" type turn around if he had the opportunity to go to a winner.

PS, I also use the Steve Young example to show hoe over rated Montana is. Sure he is a great qb, but all time great? No way, in that system with that talent lots of QB's could of won including Steve Young.

Blasphemy. Joe Montana was another level
Montana won 4 super bowls in 10 years. Young led the 49ers to 1 Super Bowl in 8.

Montana Inherited a losing team. Young took over a yearly contender.

Montana was 16-7 in the playoffs. Young was 8-6

Montana won Super bowls with Ricky Patton and Wendell Tyler. Young had Ricky Watters.

Montana had 34 4th quarter comebacks / game winning drives.

Young had 18.

Montana went 8- 3 in his final season and led KC to the conference Championships at 37 after elbow surgery.

His final year at 38 he outdueled Steve Young and John Elway

You have had qb's just put up a stinker in the west coast offense and excel in the more traditional offenses used by guys like Dan Marino ,Peyton manning and Jim Kelly.

Then you had guys like Richard Gannon struggle in traditional schemes yet excel in the west coast offense.

To say guy Like Montana, Farve and Elway weren't great quarter backs because they were put into systems that suited their skill set is just wrong.

What sets west coast offense guys like Montana, Brady and Farve apart was their ability to perform in the clutch not their versions of the west coast offense.

 

[Triplethreat]

Don't think the entirety of the evaluation of scoring points will come based on the first quarter of two preseason games.

Kizer's TD this game came after inheriting the ball on the Giants 28 yard line. His two TDs last week came against the third string of one of last years worst defenses.

Now, perhaps Hue and the coaches talk, take the temperature or the vets on Offense one more time and decide to go with Kizer, but if they do it won't be based solely or even primarily on the TD drives in these first two games.

I still think to start out and to show the team as a whole that this is a "expecting to win season" and not a "develop and let the record fall where it may" season, you have to go with the guy who has the best command of the offense and who has had the most consistent training camp.

If after 4-6 games that guy is just epicly struggling and holding the team back, then make the change.

Now that said, I'm excited by the raw tools and poise DeShone shows in dealing with the media. He's the youngest QB in the NFL in his first training camp and I thin to a degree he has actually exceeded expectations. Just not sure if that means he's the best choice to start week one in Pittsburgh.

What is the point? We already KNOW that in those "4-6 games" Osweiler will be severely holding the team back. You see the same problems that you can see from all of his years of tape in the league, and especially last year.

He's just not good, and he doesn't stretch or test the defense at all. He tries to dink and dunk, makes bad decisions and is way too innacurate with the football.

Kizer on the other hand has been able to effectively move the football much better than Brock has to this point, and while he throws better already, he also adds the element of being able to run the ball at any point. At this point he's the best option for a semi-productive offense by a WIDE WIDE margin.

Give him the reps, and let him clean everything up with the first team offense. See what you have under a full year of evaluation going into next years jam packed QB class.