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...It's the #4 pick in the draft...

And yeah I know that wasn't the case when the trade was made. but Watson had already gotten hurt, the writing was on the wall.

I don't think Bill Belichick was in the business of playing those odds.

They knew it wouldnt be the same without Watson, but you're severely underestimating the potential value of that pick at the time.
 
I don't think Bill Belichick was in the business of playing those odds.

They knew it wouldnt be the same without Watson, but you're severely underestimating the potential value of that pick at the time.
How am I underestimating the value of the pick? You mean I'm overestimating it, right?

If anything, Belichick underestimated it. If that story is even true, which I very seriously doubt. Sending Jimmy G to the worst organization in sports is no risk to him especially while the franchise tag is exists and he & Brady only have a couple years left anyways.
 
How am I underestimating the value of the pick? You mean I'm overestimating it, right?

If anything, Belichick underestimated it. If that story is even true, which I very seriously doubt. Sending Jimmy G to the worst organization in sports is no risk to him especially while the franchise tag is exists and he & Brady only have a couple years left anyways.

The franchise tag is one year.

If Belichick thinks Jimmy G wants to leave Cleveland, he shouldnt deal him there.
 
The franchise tag is one year.

If Belichick thinks Jimmy G wants to leave Cleveland, he shouldnt deal him there.
But you can tag someone more than once, like the Redskins have with Cousins, right?
 
But you can tag someone more than once, like the Redskins have with Cousins, right?

Depends on their willingness to deal.

Not necessarily.
 
Depends on their willingness to deal.

Not necessarily.
I don't understand. If you're willing to pay the salary, which the Browns obviously would, then you can tag multiple times, yes?
 
I don't understand. If you're willing to pay the salary, which the Browns obviously would, then you can tag multiple times, yes?

I believe said player can sign the tag, but also agree to not be tagged again the following year.

There also would be some sort of premium attached.

That said, this is all moot. As this is not the first time we've seen that Jimmy G to Cleveland was not an option.

We can let this one die, IMO.
 
The Browns had no chance to get Jimmy G after the way they handled the Jamie Collins trade, apparently. This topic can and should die. The original reporter doubled-down on his reporting.

It's funny how a negative piece of news on the Pats isn't bought, but people soak up every LaCanfora hit piece on the Browns every time.
 
I believe said player can sign the tag, but also agree to not be tagged again the following year.

There also would be some sort of premium attached.

That said, this is all moot. As this is not the first time we've seen that Jimmy G to Cleveland was not an option.

We can let this one die, IMO.

Not true.

You can tag any non qb twice, period.

You can tag a qb 3 times, but the final year comes with a 40% increase in salary from the year before.

If we traded for Jimmy G or Alex smith, or whoever, we can tag them 3 times without their say. The issue is the final year they will be the highest paid player in football...period. If Washington tags Cousins a third time, they have to pay something around 35 million, which they dont have, so why they are thinking he will be available and not tagged.
 
...It's the #4 pick in the draft...

And yeah I know that wasn't the case when the trade was made. but Watson had already gotten hurt, the writing was on the wall.

This isn’t accurate at all.

The NFL trade deadline was 10/31. Garoppolo was traded on the night of 10/30.

Watson tore his ACL in practice on 11/2.

At the time of the deadline, the 49ers were 0-8 and their 2nd round pick was 33rd overall. They finished 6-2.

Houston at the time of the deadline was 3-4 and had gone 3-3 with Watson starting. They finished 1-8 with Savage/Yates.

I don’t think it’s out of line to say Houston would have finished at least 9-7 with Watson healthy. Which would have put that pick 22nd overall.

So at the time of the trade, it was only an 11 pick gap between the two picks.
 
Kirk Cousins 2017 Season - Per PFF

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Cousins is an above average QB that is going to greatly benefit financially from the sheer lack of quality QB play in the league and the fact he’s one of the rare guys to actually hit true unrestricted free agency in his prime.

He’s better than what the Browns have, but I wouldn’t want to be the team to drop 150M on the guy.
 
Cousins is an above average QB that is going to greatly benefit financially from the sheer lack of quality QB play in the league and the fact he’s one of the rare guys to actually hit true unrestricted free agency in his prime.

He’s better than what the Browns have, but I wouldn’t want to be the team to drop 150M on the guy.

Especially not when you can win playoff games with the likes of Nick Foles and Blake Bortles.
 
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AJ McCarron describes total chaos of the trade that almost sent him to the Browns
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For roughly three minutes back in October, AJ McCarron thought that he had been traded to the Cleveland Browns.

In what will easily go down as one of the most bizarre situations of the 2017 season, the Bengals and Browns appeared to have a trade in place on Oct. 31 that was going to send McCarron to Cleveland in a deal that would give the Bengals two draft picks (a second and third round pick in 2018).

However, the trade never went down because the Browns apparently forgot to send some paperwork to the NFL. The situation was so crazy that even Bengals coach Marvin Lewis was at a loss for words after the deal didn't happen.

Although McCarron did talk about the botched trade during a media session on November 1, he never really went into detail on how things went down from his point of view.

So how crazy did things get for McCarron that day?

The Bengals backup quarterback finally described the situation during an interview with WNSP-FM in Mobile, Alabama.

"It was an odd deal," McCarron said, via AL.com. "I got a text from my agent at 3:34 saying 'Hey, there's a possible trade going down. Stay by your phone. I'll let you know.'"

At that point, McCarron waited 26 minutes before he finally got another update from his agent. During that time, McCarron had no idea if he'd be staying in Cincinnati or if he'd be getting shipped off to Cleveland.

"I got another call from him right at 4 saying 'From what I know, it's a done deal. I'll call you back in a minute and let you know," McCarron said.

Basically, at 4 p.m. ET on October 31, McCarron thought he was officially headed to Cleveland, but then that all changed just three minutes later.

"The next call I got was at 4:03 and [my agent says] 'Hey, the trade didn't go through. They didn't get the paperwork in on time,'" McCarron said. "Everybody has a story. I'm sure Cleveland has their own story, Cincy has their own story. But it's just one of those things, when you think you've seen everything, you're shown a little bit more. I think the only people who truly know what happened were the ones leading the whole situation on both sides."

According to multiple reports, it was the Browns who botched the trade after they "forgot" to file the proper paperwork with the league. McCarron was actually hoping he would get traded for two big reasons. For one, it would have allowed him a chance to become a starting quarterback, and two, it would have reunited him with former Bengals offensive coordinator Hue Jackson.

"As a competitor, I wanted that opportunity, just to be able to showcase and help a team win ball games," McCarron said. "I think I would have had some success playing for Hue. I would have loved the opportunity to go up there and get them a win, more than one win. As a competitor, that's all you can ask for."

Although McCarron is currently stuck with the Bengals, there's a chance he could become a free agent in February, but it's a complicated situation. McCarron's four-year rookie deal is set to to expire after the 2017 season, but there's one small catch: No one seems sure if he'll be a restricted free agent or an unrestricted free agent.

Generally speaking, any rookie selected in the second through seventh round of the draft will become an unrestricted free agent -- and can sign with any team -- after their four-year rookie deal expires. However, McCarron's situation is slightly different.

The Bengals quarterback spent most his rookie season on the NFI (non-football injury) list, and therefore, didn't accrue a season of playing time, so the Bengals are arguing that McCarron should be a restricted free agent.

If that happens, the Bengals could put a first-, second- or fifth-round tender on him,
which means a team would have to give them a draft pick if they were to sign McCarron in March. However, if McCarron wins his case, then he would become an unrestricted free agent and he'd be free to sign with any team.

Right now, the case is still up in the air, but it's expected to be decided on Feb. 15.
 

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