Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Pioneer10]

Dude likes to shoot a bit too much. Needs to watch more Delly and not Clarkson

 

[Cavatt]

2 highlight plays at the rim in a poor game. Very tough team. Surprised it was close. They are going to be tough for anybody to beat.

 

[benchplayer]

Man I hope sextons absorbing some of dellys knowledge

 

[Rich]

The ball just sticks to him. Delly comes in and it moves.

Being a 1on1 scoring small guard is fine but it limits what he can be. That's a 6th man.

 

[inliner311]

The ball just sticks to him. Delly comes in and it moves.

Being a 1on1 scoring small guard is fine but it limits what he can be. That's a 6th man.

The ball also sticks with Burks, Hood, and Cedi. I don't like this starting lineup for Sexton. The more Sexton has to defer to other players, the more the ball seems to stick in his hands when he gets it.

I would put Nwaba into the starting lineup instead of Burks. There isn't a good solution since we don't have spot up shooters. Love should help Sexton when he returns but I hope Koby can get a decent spot up shooting SG or SF in a trade.

 

[TitleTown]

The ball just sticks to him. Delly comes in and it moves.

Being a 1on1 scoring small guard is fine but it limits what he can be. That's a 6th man.

So, would you compare him to "a rich man's Boobie Gibson"?

It hasn't limited Kyrie to being a 6th man...

He is DEVELOPING, and he's obviously focusing on his own scoring first. I see no problem with it. None at all. He can't learn everything at once. That's not how LEARNING works. By developing a good base for his own scoring, it'll help open up other parts of the game for him, and it will help the game to slow down for him. Both of which should eventually help him setup other players more effectively.

Will he ever be a passing PG? I don't know. It's way to early to tell.

 

[Rich]

The ball also sticks with Burks, Hood, and Cedi. I don't like this starting lineup for Sexton. The more Sexton has to defer to other players, the more the ball seems to stick in his hands when he gets it.

I would put Nwaba into the starting lineup instead of Burks. There isn't a good solution since we don't have spot up shooters. Love should help Sexton when he returns but I hope Koby can get a decent spot up shooting SG or SF in a trade.

I dont think Sexton currently has shown the ability to be a primary playmaker of whom the lineup should be catered to.

People dont want him with Calrkson. They dont want him with Burks. They didnt like the two games he started with George Hill.


I mean...currently he's kinda part of the issue.

Which is fine. Its a player development season. But its more him than other players.

Somehow Nance finds a way to rack up assists no matter who he shares the court with.

 

[Jordan]

So, would you compare him to "a rich man's Boobie Gibson"?

It hasn't limited Kyrie to being a 6th man...

He is DEVELOPING, and he's obviously focusing on his own scoring first. I see no problem with it. None at all. He can't learn everything at once. That's not how LEARNING works. By developing a good base for his own scoring, it'll help open up other parts of the game for him, and it will help the game to slow down for him. Both of which should eventually help him setup other players more effectively.

Will he ever be a passing PG? I don't know. It's way to early to tell.

Kyrie was one of the best prospects with arguably the best rookie season from a PG ever. It is not a fair comparison. Kyrie warps the court in a crazy way. He may never be an MVP, but his offense is just at another level, and comparing Sexton to him is unfair.

Sexton's problems are that his vision is pretty bad, even for a rookie, and his size makes it difficult for him to recover on defense, even though he works really hard.

He reminds me a lot of a young CJ McCollum. Effectively an undersized two-guard with an affinity for scoring. If Sexton can get to that level then it will be great value at the eighth pick. His next step has to be to stop shooting so many midrange shots.

 

[inliner311]

I dont think Sexton currently has shown the ability to be a primary playmaker of whom the lineup should be catered to.

People dont want him with Calrkson. They dont want him with Burks. They didnt like the two games he started with George Hill.


I mean...currently he's kinda part of the issue.

Which is fine. Its a player development season. But its more him than other players.

Somehow Nance finds a way to rack up assists no matter who he shares the court with.

He definitely needs to build up his vision. I'm not sure how the coaching staff is helping him do that. You can see when he has no chance to get the ball in a play that he just stands in the corner with his hands on his hips.

I thought Burks would be a good addition to the starting lineup because he moved the ball when he was in the second unit. That has faded since he has been put in as a starter.

Handing the ball off to see Hood, Cedi, or Burks just dribble to take a bad shot isn't helping him build up his vision. I would personally like to see the coaching staff involve him in plays that are purposely made for him to pass. Get him driving and kicking out early in the shot clock to set up another play. Give him just something more than a simple handoff at the top of the 3 point line to start a play.

 

[TitleTown]

Somehow Nance finds a way to rack up assists no matter who he shares the court with.

This is Nance's 4th season. He averaged .7 assists per game in his first season.

 

[TitleTown]

Kyrie was one of the best prospects with arguably the best rookie season from a PG ever. It is not a fair comparison. Kyrie warps the court in a crazy way. He may never be an MVP, but his offense is just at another level, and comparing Sexton to him is unfair.

I disagree, but even if you're right, it's also unfair to make bold claims like Sexton is on his way to being a 6th man after only 30 total games as an NBA player.

It's also unfair to say he's on his way to being a 6th man with a coaching staff that sucks at putting together rotations that set up our young players for success.

It's also unfair to complain about his playmaking when he shares the court with Hood or Clarkson at all times.

Does Sexton need to improve on a lot of things, including his court vision and playmaking? Yep, absolutely. Is it too soon to have strong worries when he's clearly showing improvement in his game? Yep, absolutely.

 

[Jordan]

I disagree, but even if you're right, it's also unfair to make bold claims like Sexton is on his way to being a 6th man after only 30 total games as an NBA player.

It's also unfair to say he's on his way to being a 6th man with a coaching staff that sucks at putting together rotations that set up our young players for success.

It's also unfair to complain about his playmaking when he shares the court with Hood or Clarkson at all times.

Does Sexton need to improve on a lot of things, including his court vision and playmaking? Yep, absolutely. Is it too soon to have strong worries when he's clearly showing improvement in his game? Yep, absolutely.

And I missed the rest of the conversation, but just to be clear, I think Sexton has shown enough to have faith to believe he can become noticeably more than a sixth man. I am not saying he will, but he has shown a natural ability to score.

Regarding Kyrie: he was one of like five rookie PGs since the turn of the century (@priceFTW correct me if I am wrong on the number and/or date here, but I know it is big) to be a net positive when he was on the court. He was an unreal prospect, and honestly, if he could have become a consistently net neutral defender then we'd probably be talking about him as an MVP candidate. He just never could, and that combined with his ball stopping has really put a ceiling on his potential.

My point in saying all of that is it was always significantly unlikely that Sexton would be a rookie like Kyrie was. Rookie PGs are almost exclusively net negatives, no matter who they play for, when they are drafted, or who they are playing with.

Finally, on my McCollum point, I have always thought Sexton was more of a two-guard. Vision is not a skill where guys usually improve... Or at least do not significantly improve. That will always limit Sexton's playmaking. But, Sexton clearly does not want to be a black hole. Hence I think a guy like McCollum, with a similar skill profile, is a fair comparison.

 

[AussieDelly]

Was Delly an SG or PG in his rookie year? If PG then he must have been one of the 5.

 

[CavsFTW]

I disagree, but even if you're right, it's also unfair to make bold claims like Sexton is on his way to being a 6th man after only 30 total games as an NBA player.

It's also unfair to say he's on his way to being a 6th man with a coaching staff that sucks at putting together rotations that set up our young players for success.

It's also unfair to complain about his playmaking when he shares the court with Hood or Clarkson at all times.

Does Sexton need to improve on a lot of things, including his court vision and playmaking? Yep, absolutely. Is it too soon to have strong worries when he's clearly showing improvement in his game? Yep, absolutely.

It's not too soon to have strong worries about a point guard with a sub 15% AST%. That's replacement level efficiency. All of the top passing PGs in the league were worlds better as rookies. Not a single top 20 assists leader (PG) had a sub 20% rookie season.

 

[Cavatt]

I see a lot of the passes Sexton makes are slightly off time. They are on target, but he needs to get the ball out quicker. Similar problem around the basket. Some times he needs to attack a fraction of a second sooner.

He's telling 8th pick. He has passing skills, but they are just not there yet. Pass to Zizic that lead to a foul, lick out to 3 pt line that got picked off. He needs to get the ball out of his hands quicker.

People are acting like Kyrie was some kind of Maestro with his passes. He would pass out of a triple team and get an assist or get it to Tristan on the roll. This is revisionist history that Kyrie was some sick passer. He wasn't he sucked at passing and it was the main criticism his rookie year and was still a criticism before he left. Seems like Stevens is sort of getting through to him.

We have a rookie picked at 8 who is outperforming his slot right now and people are pissed.

You guys would have tried to trade De'aaron Fox if you had had him last year.

There is no spacing on this team, getting to the hole is hard AF, and Sextons whole game is built on that.