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Damn, Jimmy G this is some serious good quarterbacking.

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If they were doing a “favor” by not sending him to cle, what does that say about how much players around the league and other executives saw our roster and front office management as a joke?

There are several real tangible challenges when you turn a team into an expansion team. I don’t 100 percent buy that they refused to trade him to cle, but the facts that agents would prefer thier clients not go to cle tells you how much the past front office and company were not seen in a good light.

Bottom line is we need to add a rookie qb and vet qb this spring.
 
TheISHT said:
My point is if Bill though he was the next Andrew Luck perceived guaranteed talent, you would move on from a 41 year old Brady and go with this guy.
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Brady is about to win MVP of the league...
 
We really missed out. Why can't anything ever work out?
 
Missed out on Jimmy Goat.

I hate my favorite football team.
 
ajz20 said:
If they were doing a “favor” by not sending him to cle, what does that say about how much players around the league and other executives saw our roster and front office management as a joke?

There are several real tangible challenges when you turn a team into an expansion team. I don’t 100 percent buy that they refused to trade him to cle, but the facts that agents would prefer thier clients not go to cle tells you how much the past front office and company were not seen in a good light.

Bottom line is we need to add a rookie qb and vet qb this spring.
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It says a lot. That is why the tank advocates don't get it IMO. This much losing will drain even talented players. They lose motivation and hope and just do enough to "not get fired" so to speak. It is a toxic atmosphere right now and has been for a long time. I wouldn't blame anyone that didn't want to come to play for Haslam and the Browns.
 
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In the English language, “Cleveland Browns” have now firmly established a negative connotation.

When the name is used, people—not even real football fans—know that they are just bad.

It’s associated with embarrassment and just plain ineptitude.

That is a hard narrative to change.

Potential FA.... “Uhh, the Browns? Not that desperate yet.”

Draft Picks “Shit, Browns? Do I really have to go there?”

Players all feel that way, too.

They associate Cleveland Browns with career destruction.

No one can succeed there, right?

When no one has for 20 years, it becomes a way of life.

Teams can be bad for stretches, but they can get out of it before it becomes the fabric of their being.

This wallowing pit? We’ve been in it for long enough now that it’s become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Our draft picks either bust or want to leave.

Our coaches are terrible.

The one glowing light in the pit of misery is Joe Thomas, and we even broke that iron soldier this year to the point he’s considering retirement. Dilly Dilly.

So yes, Jimmy G is a franchise quarterback who moved on for peanuts while we stood helplessly by and watched.

Why? Because the guy didn’t want to be here and his former franchise, NE, had enough respect for the kid to not send him to NFL Siberia.

Until we chip away at this negative association, no one wants to be here. Sure, we have money and can pay players looking to make money. But are those cash-in type guys really who you win with?

And if they are, we surely can’t get enough of them poor suckers to make a team good as a whole.

It’s just a negative attitude, man.

We are talking about drafting a franchise QB, and I think only the naive are not willing to admit that this young QB will have an 80% chance to fail given our situation.

Players come here and they know they are losers.

Myles Garrett said how much he wanted to make us a winner on draft day. He tried to fight against the current. “That 1-15 was unacceptable. We plan to change that.”

He was right. Now, he’s about to go 0-16.

A few more years of that, and he’s probably spiritually broken.

We need to figure out how to change this shit fast, because the image is nearly set in stone at this point.

I’m sorry for the negative post, guys. It’s just, look at what we are dealing with. We aren’t your normal level of bad. We’re so bad that lepers point and feel fortunate.
 
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thedarkness2332 said:
In the English language, “Cleveland Browns” have now firmly established a negative connotation.

When the name is used, people—not even real football fans—know that they are just bad.

It’s associated with embarrassment and just plain ineptitude.

That is a hard narrative to change.

Potential FA.... “Uhh, the Browns? Not that desperate yet.”

Draft Picks “Shit, Browns? Do I really have to go there?”

Players all feel that way, too.

They associate Cleveland Browns with career destruction.

No one can succeed there, right?

When no one has for 20 years, it becomes a way of life.

Teams can be bad for stretches, but they can get out of it before it becomes the fabric of their being.

This wallowing pit? We’ve been in it for long enough now that it’s become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Our draft picks either bust or want to leave.

Our coaches are terrible.

The one glowing light in the pit of misery is Joe Thomas, and we even broke that iron soldier this year to the point he’s considering retirement. Dilly Dilly.

So yes, Jimmy G is a franchise quarterback who moved on for peanuts while we stood helplessly by and watched.

Why? Because the guy didn’t want to be here and his former franchise, NE, had enough respect for the kid to not send him to NFL Siberia.

Until we chip away at this negative association, no one wants to be here. Sure, we have money and can pay players looking to make money. But are those cash-in type guys really who you win with?

And if they are, we surely can’t get enough of them poor suckers to make a team good as a whole.

It’s just a negative attitude, man.

We are talking about drafting a franchise QB, and I think only the naive are not willing to admit that this young QB will have an 80% chance to fail given our situation.

Players come here and they know they are losers.

Myles Garrett said how much he wanted to make us a winner now. He tried to fight against the current.

Now, he’s about to go 0-16.

A few more years of that, and he’s probably spiritually broken.

We need to figure out how to change this shit fast, because the image is nearly set in stone at this point.
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Here’s how to change it:

1) Draft a franchise Quarterback

2) Prevent him from getting injured

You could literally just draft average players on both sides of the ball for the next 15 years and things would get better because he’d carry the team to the playoffs (where anything can happen) at worst say...3-4 years out of 10. And at best, he’s Rodgers or Brady and you’re a perennial SB contender.
 
The Oi said:
Here’s how to change it:

1) Draft a franchise Quarterback

2) Prevent him from getting injured

You could literally just draft average players on both sides of the ball for the next 15 years and things would get better because he’d carry the team to the playoffs (where anything can happen) at worst say...3-4 years out of 10. And at best, he’s Rodgers or Brady and you’re a perennial SB contender.
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You trust the Cleveland Browns to develop him?

He better be ready-made amazing.
 
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