Dan Gilbert

[chuck0609]

Griffin was good until we won the championship, he should not have fired Blatt, should not have signed TT to that insane contract, also traded some of our picks away for players who dropped out of rotation. He sacrificed way too much of our defense and good lord why the hell did he give JR such a long and lucrative contract??? Nobody else was gonna sign him to even close to that much money there was no reason for that move and screwed us over big time.

Griffin blew through assets without regard and when Durant joined GS, there was nothing left to bargain with.
He could have not dropped a first when LbJ came back to clear cap space.
He could have exercised a little patience in the Love negotiations.
He could have used better sense with TT and JR.
He could have extended Delly at a very reasonable number the year before he left.
On the flip side, if Durant doesn’t go to GS, the team may still be together.
What if Mozgov didn’t get hurt and fall off a damn cliff in production? They would have had a true center.
My biggest issue with Griffin was he didn’t appear to value the assets he had- as a result it ultimately cost him.
Also, if he was really a great GM, he’d have a job. That speaks volumes.

 

[LeeBuckeye]

Griffin blew through assets without regard and when Durant joined GS, there was nothing left to bargain with.
He could have not dropped a first when LbJ came back to clear cap space.
He could have exercised a little patience in the Love negotiations.
He could have used better sense with TT and JR.
He could have extended Delly at a very reasonable number the year before he left.
On the flip side, if Durant doesn’t go to GS, the team may still be together.
What if Mozgov didn’t get hurt and fall off a damn cliff in production? They would have had a true center.
My biggest issue with Griffin was he didn’t appear to value the assets he had- as a result it ultimately cost him.
Also, if he was really a great GM, he’d have a job. That speaks volumes.

Imagine a scenario where Dan actually listens to his gut when he has two consecutive picks to burn in the 2nd round and draft Draymond Green. We're not clearing the literal and figurative waste of space in Tyler Zeller and attaching a 2016 First round pick to Boston. We're also weakening or preventing the Warrior awakening and the recruitment of KD in 2016. On second thought we're probably trading Green and a future first somehow because he got made at Kyrie and Waiters for not playing defense

Chris Grant couldn't draft and Griffin was too eager to burn everything as if he probably knew a contract extension was never coming. This is my main concern, if you have a President of Basketball Operation looking over the stability of a team then a GM is less likely to trade your future for "win now" moves (Imagine Tatum and Brown in Nets uniforms and thank Billy King for Boston's relevance)

One of the biggest issues Dan and Grant had was the inability to get over sunk cost. Reaching for TT in 2011 should not have prevented you from taking Drummond in 2012 and taking a combo guard in Waiters in 2012 should not have been a deterrent for taking Victor Oladipo in 2013.

As long as Dan is heavily involved in basketball decisions, this team has a chance to screw up the 2nd tank. Nothing is guaranteed even after you do everything right (cheap owners like OKC destroys a franchise after Presti puts on a 6 year drafting clinic) and all of his success is due to LeBron coming back. However, I doubt a 36-37 year old LeBron James is coming to save the franchise so Dan will have to swallow his pride and hire some basketball experts. Bringing in guys like Mike Zarren and Justin Zanik would be a good move instead of compounding mistakes by throwing max contracts at them and getting less in return for Kyrie then what we had to give up to trade for Love (Celtics and Cavs knew IT was washed)

 

[iamacavalier]

Griffin was good until we won the championship, he should not have fired Blatt, should not have signed TT to that insane contract, also traded some of our picks away for players who dropped out of rotation. He sacrificed way too much of our defense and good lord why the hell did he give JR such a long and lucrative contract??? Nobody else was gonna sign him to even close to that much money there was no reason for that move and screwed us over big time.

I didnt say he was perfect but most of those are understandable as your contending for a championship. Those 2 guys were key to the 2016 ship. His hands are tied. You don't want guys missing parts of the season and we all know LeBron pressured them to make moves.

Besides those contracts did not hurt anyone but Gilbert's wallet (which goes back to my point that I'd rather have a spender thatd involved than a tightwad that's not.) And those contracts didn't stop us from signing anyone.

But that's what you do as a small market team. If you have a shot at a title . You go all in. You use every resource you have, in hopes to get that last piece.

And Blatt is debatable. I feel for the guy cuz this is not what he signed up for. But he absolutely lost the locker room. Not one player acted shocked or sad. They needed someone to inspire and manage personalities. Blatt was neither of those.

 

[Futuredome]

I didnt say he was perfect but most of those are understandable as your contending for a championship. Those 2 guys were key to the 2016 ship. His hands are tied. You don't want guys missing parts of the season and we all know LeBron pressured them to make moves.

Besides those contracts did not hurt anyone but Gilbert's wallet (which goes back to my point that I'd rather have a spender thatd involved than a tightwad that's not.) And those contracts didn't stop us from signing anyone.

But that's what you do as a small market team. If you have a shot at a title . You go all in. You use every resource you have, in hopes to get that last piece.

And Blatt is debatable. I feel for the guy cuz this is not what he signed up for. But he absolutely lost the locker room. Not one player acted shocked or sad. They needed someone to inspire and manage personalities. Blatt was neither of those.

Short sighted thinking, especially after Durants shut move. Should have let both go and restock for 2018, though Kyrie's bum knee would suck.......

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Short sighted thinking, especially after Durants shut move. Should have let both go and restock for 2018, though Kyrie's bum knee would suck.......

TT was re-signed before the 2015-16 started, so he was already on the books. It was JR who was signed following the championship. Truthfully, it made sense to bring both guys back because they were both critical role players in our first two title runs. The issue was how much they got and while the only thing that impacted was Gilbert's wallet during the contention years, we're paying for it now because both guys have basically proven untradeable.

I keep thinking about the proper counter-moves following Durant's pussification. If the Cavs had done exactly what they did do (essentially stand pat) literally any other year, they would have been champions. With hindsight, we needed to be proactive and revamp the roster. We needed longer defenders on the perimeter; trading Love would have probably been a good place to start. Using the 1st on a more useful player than Korver would have been the next one. Getting another body in the middle after TT fell off a cliff wouldn't have hurt either. Finally, we needed to commit to defense over the course of the season and not be content with a 22nd ranking.

A few personnel adjustments, hard work and hunger to repeat could have drastically changed the outcome of that series, and subsequently the future of our franchise. With LeBron and Kyrie you always have a chance at scaling the mountain.

 

[buzzdog]

Gilbert, Griffin, Lue, Lebron, Kyrie, Kevin Love, TT, JR...

Every one of these people contributed in some specific and unique ways that all came together resulting in the only Cleveland championship since 1964.

Every one of these people also came with some serious flaws that contributed to it all falling apart.

It all happened the way it happened and I'm not giving back that championship experience, neither am I disowning the fucked up shit we had to deal with since then. It's a package deal. I thoroughly enjoyed the ride and now we're just in a different place, and there's some entertainment value to be had with this part of the cycle as well. Anyone can say coulda, woulda, and shoulda all they want. It changes nothing in the present. At the moment we're stuck in basketball purgatory once again, which should be a pretty familiar place for long term Cleveland fans.

All in all I'm happy that we had all the guys mentioned in the first sentence, including Dan Gilbert. But especially Lebron. And, even JR.

I wonder if or when Dan Gilbert will get tired of the NBA ownership experience. Sooner or later I assume that will happen.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

It all happened the way it happened and I'm not giving back that championship experience, neither am I disowning the fucked up shit we had to deal with since then. It's a package deal.

That's great you feel that way, and it's not my place to tell you to feel different...just like it's not your job to police what the rest of us feel makes for spirited discussion. Some of you want to be content with the one-and-done title and cross your fingers for the lottery then cool, have it.

In the mean time some of us find it fascinating to discuss the ways in which a dynastic Cavs team swiftly imploded after they reached the summit and the view appeared glorious and limitless. That's our prerogative.

 

[buzzdog]

That's great you feel that way, and it's not my place to tell you to feel different...just like it's not your job to police what the rest of us feel makes for spirited discussion. Some of you want to be content with the one-and-done title and cross your fingers for the lottery then cool, have it.

In the mean time some of us find it fascinating to discuss the ways in which a dynastic Cavs team swiftly imploded after they reached the summit and the view appeared glorious and limitless. That's our prerogative.

Who says I'm policing anything? I basically said anyone can second guess it all they want. If that's how you like to spend your time knock yourself out. It just doesn't change things one way or the other.

In the meantime I'm getting ready to watch another ass kicking against the Sixers, I just hope it's an entertaining ass kicking, and I hope a few of our young guys show some growth. Another low turnover game would be a positive.

 

[iamacavalier]

That's great you feel that way, and it's not my place to tell you to feel different...just like it's not your job to police what the rest of us feel makes for spirited discussion. Some of you want to be content with the one-and-done title and cross your fingers for the lottery then cool, have it.

In the mean time some of us find it fascinating to discuss the ways in which a dynastic Cavs team swiftly imploded after they reached the summit and the view appeared glorious and limitless. That's our prerogative.

That’s the thing they didn’t implode. They had record breaking offense even without Irving. The problem is not effort or better defense during the regular season... the problem was one of the best teams in nba history had a perfect cap space storm and signed the 2nd best player in the league. Cavs could not have done anything to win last year.

The first they gave up will be a second. While Korver hasn’t been insane for this team his work ethic and working with their guys on their shots has been huge.

As far as trading love. You don’t know what they were getting offered. I’m guessing not much otherwise I think he would have been gone.

And it’s easy to say we should have gotten longer but how with few movable pieces and assets...

We are lucky to have come out of this with one championship. And I think that anytime in the previous 20 years Cavs would have won 2-3 championship.

 

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[Dawg4L]

Update

 

[Dr. Gymbo]

Scary stuff. Here’s hoping he has a speedy recovery.

 

[CavsFTW]

Get well, Danny boy.

 

[SmudgeHog]

Strokes are horrible. I wish him a quick and full recovery.

 

[avs2000]

Scary stuff. Here’s hoping he has a speedy recovery.

Ditto. Get well Dan !!