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If Rose is Healthy, Dont you think it will be a big push for the Knicks in the weaker east ? Also, This I guess means Butler will not be dealt.
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Derrick Rose Traded to Knicks for scrap metal
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My money is on Butler getting traded before the deadline.
Can't see him wanting to stay on that team through a rebuild.
I mean, let's face it, this isn't the first "rebuild" the Bulls have done in recent memory. They don't normally go so well.
They've got a better chance at landing free agents though, now that Rose is gone... But that likely won't be until next year.. Unless we're talking about D. Wade going home to Chicago; but I seriously doubt that.
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From a business perspective - Wont that be a bad move? The best offer they got was a #5 from Minnesotta. Also, getting someone of Butler's quality will not be easy, right ? I find it hard for them to deal Butler. Without Butler they are not good enough the try and make the playoff and not bad enough to increase their lottery odds.
Some views from a Knicks board I lurk on. I like Knicks fans because NYC is a very literary town and there are many skilled writers among their fan base, although not many skilled players among their team members.
"This trade is rock-solid, smoking gun evidence of Phil Jackson’s rank incompetence as a general manager. It’s one of those trades we’ve seen so many times, where most fans who are looking at it objectively know within 1 second of glancing at the particulars that it is a doomed, horrible trade."
"There is no reason to like this trade at all. None. The only redeeming quality about this trade is it refocuses our FA priorities and we can now avoid offering Conley and Rondo inflated contracts." [Note the touching faith in team management!]
"Here’s how it theoretically makes sense-you realized that the Knicks aren’t ever going anywhere with Melo and you realize the only way you’re ever going to get this team out of his deathlike grasp is to be really terrible again and so you trade all your PGs for the worst PG in the NBA and also give up your starting center."
"This trade is rock-solid, smoking gun evidence of Phil Jackson’s rank incompetence as a general manager. It’s one of those trades we’ve seen so many times, where most fans who are looking at it objectively know within 1 second of glancing at the particulars that it is a doomed, horrible trade."
"There is no reason to like this trade at all. None. The only redeeming quality about this trade is it refocuses our FA priorities and we can now avoid offering Conley and Rondo inflated contracts." [Note the touching faith in team management!]
"Here’s how it theoretically makes sense-you realized that the Knicks aren’t ever going anywhere with Melo and you realize the only way you’re ever going to get this team out of his deathlike grasp is to be really terrible again and so you trade all your PGs for the worst PG in the NBA and also give up your starting center."
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My thoughts on this trade are all over the place. The idea of trading for an injured point guard scares the hell out of me as we have signed/traded for Penny Hardaway, Marbury, Francis, and just about every other washed up point guard you could imagine. And then there's the fact that if we wanted Rose, we could have just watched him this year and signed him next offseason. I should also mention that Rose is one of my least favorite players in the NBA (for no real good reason except that the media hype around Rose was nearly as nauseating as the hype around Steph). He was also a below average starting point guard last season. I still think that the best option for the Knicks would be to trade Melo and rebuild with young pieces around KP....and this move seems to suggest that the Knicks are still in win now mode.
That being said, Nate Duncan had a great podcast on this trade that made me feel a lot better. First, Derrick Rose is an expiring contract so if it doesn't work we clear a ton of cap space for next summer. By comparison, Robin Lopez was signed to a multiyear deal. Secondly, if we had just kept Lopez and Grant with the intention of adding Rose next summer, then the only real move we could have made next summer was to add Derrick Rose - and adding Derrick Rose to the current team just isn't good enough. Now we have a tremendous amount of flexibility. We could either retain Rose and build around Melo/Rose/KP. Or we could use Rose's cap space to sign someone else. This trade also gives me hope that we will move KP to the five and Melo to the four, which are their best positions respectively.
This trade is also a lot worse for the Bulls than for the Knicks. Not that they needed Rose, but Jerian Grant is a woeful shooter, Robin Lopez is really a 25 mpg player who isn't actually that great defensively, and Calderon is a corpse.
So all in all, it isn't the greatest move, but I'm fine with it because we have flexibility going forward. I would be very upset, however, if we compound this by doing something truly dumb like signing Dwight for 4 years at some huge salary. Our management has to start understanding that the future of this team is KP, not Melo, and we need to start getting young players that can grow with him instead of washed up former superstars that still won't be good enough to get the Knicks out of the eastern conference.
That being said, Nate Duncan had a great podcast on this trade that made me feel a lot better. First, Derrick Rose is an expiring contract so if it doesn't work we clear a ton of cap space for next summer. By comparison, Robin Lopez was signed to a multiyear deal. Secondly, if we had just kept Lopez and Grant with the intention of adding Rose next summer, then the only real move we could have made next summer was to add Derrick Rose - and adding Derrick Rose to the current team just isn't good enough. Now we have a tremendous amount of flexibility. We could either retain Rose and build around Melo/Rose/KP. Or we could use Rose's cap space to sign someone else. This trade also gives me hope that we will move KP to the five and Melo to the four, which are their best positions respectively.
This trade is also a lot worse for the Bulls than for the Knicks. Not that they needed Rose, but Jerian Grant is a woeful shooter, Robin Lopez is really a 25 mpg player who isn't actually that great defensively, and Calderon is a corpse.
So all in all, it isn't the greatest move, but I'm fine with it because we have flexibility going forward. I would be very upset, however, if we compound this by doing something truly dumb like signing Dwight for 4 years at some huge salary. Our management has to start understanding that the future of this team is KP, not Melo, and we need to start getting young players that can grow with him instead of washed up former superstars that still won't be good enough to get the Knicks out of the eastern conference.
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I mean, what else can the Knicks do?
Melo is aging #1, he needs a sidekick.
Nobody is coming to NY via FA, and when I say nobody, I'm meaning superstars. LA and NY fell off in that aspect. Build your teams through draft and trade and try to get lucky in FA is your hope.
NY needs a PG, Teague, no. Bledsoe may cost a bit more than Lopez, Calderon, Grant. Conley, who knows where he ends up.
Rose was an sure option on a 1 year deal. Players seem to play their best when its new contract time. I won't be surprised if Rose plays 70 games and averages 20+ 5+ 5+
Melo is aging #1, he needs a sidekick.
Nobody is coming to NY via FA, and when I say nobody, I'm meaning superstars. LA and NY fell off in that aspect. Build your teams through draft and trade and try to get lucky in FA is your hope.
NY needs a PG, Teague, no. Bledsoe may cost a bit more than Lopez, Calderon, Grant. Conley, who knows where he ends up.
Rose was an sure option on a 1 year deal. Players seem to play their best when its new contract time. I won't be surprised if Rose plays 70 games and averages 20+ 5+ 5+
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So I actually think this could be a nice long-term move. I've come around on it a bit. I don't think Jerian Grant would be able to succeed in a triangle-based offense, as he really needs to be a pick-and-roll ball handler to be effective, and Robin Lopez had an awful contract. In terms of assets, Bulls win this trade.
I ultimately don't know how great of a fit Rose will be with Anthony and Porzingis, but if it works out, he could bridge the age-gap between the two stars.
If the Bulls could get 1) a center like Dwight or Pau and 2) a young talent that still can develop a bit more, I think this will be a winning offseason. For example, if the Knicks can grab Pau and DeMar DeRozan, they'll have a legit starting five. Rose has shown that he is capable of running triangle sets (see when Thibs was coach of the Bulls) so he's gonna be a good fit in the offense.
It's a funny trade, but, I think both teams actually benefit from it.
I ultimately don't know how great of a fit Rose will be with Anthony and Porzingis, but if it works out, he could bridge the age-gap between the two stars.
If the Bulls could get 1) a center like Dwight or Pau and 2) a young talent that still can develop a bit more, I think this will be a winning offseason. For example, if the Knicks can grab Pau and DeMar DeRozan, they'll have a legit starting five. Rose has shown that he is capable of running triangle sets (see when Thibs was coach of the Bulls) so he's gonna be a good fit in the offense.
It's a funny trade, but, I think both teams actually benefit from it.
http://sportsmockery.com/2016/09/uncovered-derrick-roses-deposition-text-messages-quite-frightening/
Rose is quite a disgusting character. I think Phil made another big mistake.
Rose is quite a disgusting character. I think Phil made another big mistake.
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I'm still not convinced. I think he's taljing like that to try to turn her on. Which is gross and dumb. But it doesn't mean rape.
She was asleep for the texts. But they got there and then... What they broke in and she stayed asleep throughout?
I'm definitely not only accepting that biased article written by obviously a feminist. I also know rose fucking sucks at conveying messages and is emotionally stunted. That doesn't mean rape.
She was asleep for the texts. But they got there and then... What they broke in and she stayed asleep throughout?
I'm definitely not only accepting that biased article written by obviously a feminist. I also know rose fucking sucks at conveying messages and is emotionally stunted. That doesn't mean rape.