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Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States

Discussion in 'RCF Politics' started by gourimoko, Feb 26, 2018.

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What are your feelings on President Trump's performance

Poll closed Dec 29, 2018.
  1. Strongly Approve

    13 vote(s)
    10.5%
  2. Approve

    15 vote(s)
    12.1%
  3. Strongly Disapprove

    72 vote(s)
    58.1%
  4. Disapprove

    13 vote(s)
    10.5%
  5. No Opinion

    11 vote(s)
    8.9%
  1. MediumBaller

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    Maybe it wouldn't have received the coverage, but one of the claims was that Trump's tweet was racist. I disagree with that. Trump will attack anyone on twitter. He doesn't care if they're an old white man, a young black woman, or anyone else. if they're lefties, they're fair game for Trump. Whether or not that's ok is another issue, but I just disagree that it was racist.
     
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  2. King Stannis

    King Stannis The One True King

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    New York man charged with threatening to assault and kill Rep. Ilhan Omar

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    (CNN)A New York man is in custody after having been arrested and charged with threatening to assault and murder Rep. Ilhan Omar, according to the US Attorney's Office for the Western District of New York.

    Patrick W. Carlineo, Jr., 55, of Addison, New York, threatened to kill Omar because of her Muslim faith, according to a criminal complaint and accompanying affidavit. Omar, a Minnesota Democrat, is one of the first two Muslim women serving in Congress after being elected in the 2018 midterms.

    A call was placed to Omar's Washington, DC, office on March 21, an FBI agent stated in the affidavit.

    During the call, an individual, who identified himself as Pat Carlineo, said to a staff member: "Do you work for the Muslim Brotherhood? Why are you working for her, she's a (expletive) terrorist. I'll put a bullet in her (expletive) skull." Omar's office referred the threat to the US Capitol Police, which began an investigation with the FBI. Carlineo sounded angry during the call but provided the spelling of his name and contact information, the affidavit said.

    He was later interviewed by authorities where he stated that he was a patriot, that he loves President Donald Trump, and "that he hates radical Muslims in our government," the affidavit stated. He had initially claimed he had told Omar's office, "If our forefathers were still alive, they'd put a bullet in her head."

    When shown an email with the quote from the call regarding calling Omar a "terrorist" and threatening to kill her, Carlineo first replied that is not what he had said, according to the affidavit. He later admitted to authorities he may have said something like that but was unsure. Carlineo made an initial appearance Friday before a US magistrate judge and is being held pending a detention hearing next Wednesday, according to the Elmira Star Gazette newspaper. CNN has reached out to both a lawyer representing Carlineo and a friend for comment.

    The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) of New York suggested that the rhetoric of Trump has "emboldened bigots" to act. "The political environment, led by an Islamophobe in the White House, has normalized hate speech and emboldened bigots in their actions," CAIR-NY executive director Afaf Nasher said in a statement Saturday. "The rising threat of Islamophobia and white supremacy must be taken seriously. We are thankful that law enforcement tracked this individual down before he could act on his hatred for Muslims."

    Trump, in his first two years in office, implemented a travel ban, blocking Syrian refugees and restricting foreign nationals from a handful of majority Muslim countries from entering the US. He also retweeted in 2017 three inflammatory videos from a British far-right account rife with anti-Muslim content. Omar has drawn controversy for several of her comments since coming to Congress. After Omar said that support for Israel was motivated by donations from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, several House Democratic leaders called the comments anti-Semitic and offensive. She later apologized. She also drew criticism when she later said pro-Israel lobbyists pushed members of Congress to pledge "allegiance to a foreign country."

    Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, another Muslim woman in Congress, came to Omar's defense last month after the comments, suggesting that Islamophobia played a part in the Democratic condemnations of Omar's comments.



    https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/06/politics/ilhan-omar-new-york-threat/index.html
     
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  3. -Akronite-

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    You’re conflating the right with your personal feelings because that is exactly what they are doing. Right wing media members have said she was giving a speech to a terrorist organization. And just look at the comments on any of these posts and videos, like the president’s racist and Islamaphobic one, to see the EXACT reaction they wanted come out. It’s all anti-Muslim hate. It’s your prerogative if you want to continue giving this explicitly anti-Muslim president the benefit of the doubt but I’m not gonna play dumb and pretend I don’t know what he’s doing.

    And when are we ever going to see the GOP address the concerns she mentioned? It’s all HEY 9/11 TERRORISM ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS LOOK AT THIS AND REMEMBER TO FEAR MUSLIMS but no one is showing solidarity with the Muslim community that has been dragged through shit since those attacks in this country. Even you ignored that part of my post (not that you’re beholden).

    So you don’t recognize ANY issue with juxtaposing a Muslim woman, a Somali refugee, with images of a terrorist attack? Doesn’t raise ANY red flags? No concern at all about that?
     
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  4. cavsfan1985

    cavsfan1985 ^ kind of a big deal!

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    This is how I see it. But I also can see the point of how it comes across in a different way. The part I struggle with is the intent, and that is what is being debated. Was the intend to call out someone who said something wrong IMO, or was it to be racist and look at Muslims bad. I think this is a case, where Trump posted it because he felt it was wrong what she said.
     
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  5. MediumBaller

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    I can see why people would have an issue with juxtaposing a Muslim woman with images of a terrorist attack. But, I see it differently. If she had made general comments and Trump decided to use images of a terrorist attack then I would agree with you that he's only doing it because she's a Muslim. But, she talked about 9/11. Imo, she was juxtaposed with 9/11 because that's what her comments were about. If one wants to criticize her comments about 9/11, particularly if they want to say that she trivialized it, it makes sense to use 9/11 footage to do so.

    And the challenges and hate Muslims have faced in the country since 9/11 is wrong. It's not fair for millions to face hate for the actions of a few.
     
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  6. Phills14

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    Trump has proven his intentions on twitter are to troll his enemies. Giving him the benefit of the doubt that he posted the video solely because he felt her comments were inappropriate seems naive to me. If he had a problem with her statement, which I agree could anger people, why doesn't he post her video and make an educated argument against it? Why does it have the back drop of 9/11 and speak in slogans? The clear answer is to inflame the situation and further the "us vs them" narrative.
     
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  7. kosis

    kosis Creeping like Sharia

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    So 9/11 is hallowed ground and we can't minimize it by calling it "something" (It feels ridiculous to even write that sentence), yet we can just pimp out that footage anytime we want to make a political point or attack members of congress? Is 9/11 sacred or not?

    And your point about debunking the Trump "tallest building" quote... it was caught on tape. That can't be argued. You can debate the merit of intention or whatever.... But why in God's name would the thought of his property's height even be a fleeting ridiculous thought in his mind at that moment, let alone come out of his mouth? No context exists to pardon the idiocy.
     
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  8. DaNewCavs

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    So does that mean that if Chuck Schumer put images of Stalin, Lenin and
    Khrushchev as a backdrop whenever Trump yelled Fake News about Russian
    voter interference, would that be OK? Or would that insult the Trump base?

    Because basically the narrative is the same.
     
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    Weren't the Twin Towers the two tallest buildings in New York? If the two tallest buildings just got attacked, and Trump's building was the third biggest, it wouldn't be unconceivable at the time for him to wonder if his building was next.
     
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    So pretty much your able to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on what he means, but can't bring your self to give that same benefit to Omar.
     
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  12. MediumBaller

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    Omar has made a number of controversial and insensitive comments in the past few months. She hasn't apologized for them. Instead, she has doubled down. Why should I give her the benefit of the doubt? If she wants to keep making reckless comments then that's her choice, but she should be ready for backlash. Trump says messed up things sometimes, and he faces backlash for it. Are people inciting violence when they criticize the things he says?
     
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    Um... Like... But... Are you reading the words as you write them? How can you make this argument and continue to filter Trump's words/actions to the most innocent possible assumptions?

    In some instances, yes. Haven't you, or at least people on the right generally, argued that previously?

    Obviously not every criticism of Trump, Omar, or any public figure is an incitement of violence. However, this is a deliberate and obvious move by Trump, members of far-right media, and shitheads like Brian Kilmeade to use general anti-Muslim sentiment to unleash hate on Omar. They want people to link her to terrorism and to continue fearing Muslims because it's good for their agenda.

    Trump literally called for a shutdown of Muslims entering the country. He pushed conspiracy theories about Obama being Muslim. He has retweeted far-right anti-Muslim hate groups. We don't need to even fucking guess whether he is an Islamaphobe or racist, so why pretend like his intentions are just?
     
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    The whole issue with Ilhan was the she supposedly said there was dual loyalty that American Jews had to Israel because she said Aipac uses money to influence US politics, which is objectively true.

    Trump says to a group of American Conservative Jews that Netanyahu is "their prime Minister". That is very clearly a dual loyalty accusation even if it is supposed to be positive. It's conflating Jewish people and Israel.

    So, what exactly are we talking about here? The interpretation of Ilhan's words don't fit her actions as she initiated and supported the bill to help 9/11 first responders, while the GOP won't and hasn't for 20 years. Dan Crenshaw did not support the bill for First responders even though he obviously needed medical support after being injured by an IED while on duty. So what is good for the troops was not good for our first responders who quite frankly were dealing with something that is NOT a daily occurrence and was at the far extreme of what was expected of them.

    I just want to say that the way the GOP has responded to those that survived the 9/11 attacks but have paid dearly for it has shown they do not respect the sanctity of 9/11. Rep Crenshaw's own constituents who were there on 9/11 and asked him for help supporting the bill said he would not return their calls.

    Just look at people's actions to get context for their words. If you do that, you will see Rep Ilhan is on the side of justice and the GOP and Trump and Crenshaw want to look good, but have no intention of doing the right thing and protecting American heroes.
     
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    When asked to comment on the fire at Notre Dame, Rep. Omar said:

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