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ESPN 30 for 30 ("Believeland" 3/31 at CLE Film Festival, ESPN airing 5/14 9:30 PM EST

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col63onel said:
All in all, I was actually disappointed.

Whenever ESPN would reference the Red Sox drought, they'd make sure they'd mention how loyal Red Sox were. They did that a little here, but only a little. Mostly media types (even ones I like: Rizz, Donovan, Windy, Raab) just recounting what had happened. No real insight into what it's like to be a fan, just "Hey, remember this shitty that happened? Didn't that suck."

Why is Wright Thompson somehow the expert on Cleveland's cultural history? Couldn't get, I don't know, anybody who actually lived in the city from the 50s-70s to speak. My dad would've made a better city historian, and he spent half the 60s in Vietnam.

The David Modell segment was complete trash. ESPiN really had to let the Modell family have a say? What a buffoon that guy is. I repeat, he can go fuck himself.

The Schottenheimer-Byner segment was easily the best. Not enough parts like that, though.

Overall, 3/10. You could read wikipedia and get the same amount of info in 10 minutes.

PS - Also, can we not get one person to try and explain why we were the road team in all 3 postseason series in 95? You'd think a documentary like this would at least acknowledge this.
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I totally agree..

I was also disappointed.

The documentary barely talked about Cleveland, it just went over some bad periods and tried to offer some false narrative about the Browns leaving.

The Cavaliers, who are on the verge of winning a championship, were largely glossed over. Cavaliers greats were never even mentioned, other than to shine light on Michael Jordan (Ehlo).

The guy who wrote the documentary, who is also being interviewed; completely missed the point, IMHO.

He could have talked a lot more about Cleveland as a city, it's ups and downs, and not solely focused on the individual tragedies in sequence.

I thought that was extremely lazy.

I also thought it was ridiculously odd not to interview LeBron James; especially if you're going to interview Mo Williams and Dan Gilbert.
 
gourimoko said:
I'm kind of glad he did. I didn't think it was well put together at all.
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I agree.

Really, the only parts I actually liked were the player interviews, particularly Byner. The rest of it was a disappointment.

Needed way more focus on the actual fans (after all, that's really what this was supposed to be about...the fans continuing to believe...). More focus on the success of the teams before the disappointing endings. Split the time more evenly between the 3 teams (too much Browns, not nearly enough Cavs). Less camera time for the media people...more player interviews.

Instead I feel like we essentially just got a history lesson of "the" moments. Lame.

I hope we eventually get the documentary we deserve after the Cavs win the Championship.
 
I hear what people are saying about the doc kind of skimming through certain things, glossing over certain things, but there is no way you can adequately tell the story of the last fifty years of sports in this town in one hour-and-a-half film- no way. You would seriously need a 4-or-5 DVD box set and 8-10 hours of running time to tell the story the way it should be told.
 
I enjoyed the documentary. I wasn't expecting them to cover anything other than the details behind our most famous sports tragedies though.

As an early 20's fan to all the older Cleveland fans, I am sorry. I obviously knew about "The Drive", "The Fumble", etc., but didn't fully comprehend the disappointment as I couldn't experience it first hand. This documentary did touch a bit on what the emotions were like for fans during these times and I appreciated being able to get a taste of it.

Fuck "next year" - this is our year.
 
Could have cut the David Modell bullshit and all the clips about the move (all it needed was a quick summary - Modell was an asshat and moved the team Cleveland fans loved the most, Mayor White got them back and boom, done).

They could have put it towards the '07 Indians, late 80's/early 90's Cavs, today's Cavs, LeBron, some encouraging signs regarding the Indians/Browns, and talking about how much the fans care.
 
I actually liked the David Modell part. I don't remember that family too much, but now I understand when everyone says he and his father are assholes.

To have LeBron interview, he has to want to. That wasn't going to happen, maybe after he retires.

No 94 World Series and coverage on how they could have won it all that year with no strike.

The lack of Cavs coverage is because of how bad they were ran. There's not that much to discuss other then the shot, sweep and decision. Just like they covered next to nothing on the Browns after they moved back because there isn't anything to cover.

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A remote coworker just IM'd me, "I watched Believeland last night and I love that you are a Browns fan".

edit: also said Grossi seemed sensitive, I was like ya he blocked me on twitter :chuckle:
 
FiveThous said:
A remote coworker just IM'd me, "I watched Believeland last night and I love that you are a Browns fan".

edit: also said Grossi seemed sensitive, I was like ya he blocked me on twitter :chuckle:
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He blocked me too.
 
The Voice said:
I actually liked the David Modell part. I don't remember that family too much, but now I understand when everyone says he and his father are assholes.

To have LeBron interview, he has to want to. That wasn't going to happen, maybe after he retires.

No 94 World Series and coverage on how they could have won it all that year with no strike.

The lack of Cavs coverage is because of how bad they were ran. There's not that much to discuss other then the shot, sweep and decision. Just like they covered next to nothing on the Browns after they moved back because there isn't anything to cover.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk at your local pub.
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In a documentary named "Believeland", which was supposed to be about Cleveland fans and what they've had to go through in regards to not winning a championship in 50+ years, they had no business running Modell's side at all.

They could have mentioned the Ferry/Harper trade (which was pretty significant towards us not putting up a better fight against Jordan); or even how good those teams were. People underestimate those Price/Nance/Daugherty teams, they were legit one of the best teams in the league. Yet, all they got was in regards to The Shot.
 
Stories without conflict are boring. The Modell family were painted as the villains they are, and so why leave the antagonist out of the tale? I was amazed that David Modell embraced the legacy. The more transparent public relations move here is honesty...

"My father made a lot of investments in the Northeast Ohio area, including huge financial investments in the southern corridor of Northeast Ohio. Post World War II economy into the building of I-480 was supposed to mean an explosion in land value. That land isn't worth what my family paid and we lost money in every endeavor outside of the Browns until we moved to Baltimore. It was either this or sell the franchise."

...David Modell had the opportunity to be honest and instead acted like the privileged arrogant asshole his father raised him to be.

Glad they kept the real Modell in the film rather than fixing the image he willingly displaid, TBH.
 
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