Farewell Kyle Korver

[avs2000]

I'm not arguing there is theoretical value in an expiring contract. I am arguing our front office is terrible at extracting real value from the available assets we deal.

Altman loves to make moves that require additional moves for them to make sense in the bigger picture. The caveat was mentioned above that you could flip Burks for something and that could adjust your opinion on this trade......but we also have a glut of contract assets at this point.

Any player with some promise at all, would have been better than what we got. He can prove me wrong by turning Burks in to something useful, I'd just bet against it.

Burks has a better expiring contract than Korver and we got two second round picks
Maybe Burks with a change of scenery will blossom. I highly doubt it so we move him for more assets or add him to help facilitate another deal
Trades don’t have to be one move then that’s it. NBA is more of a chess game roster and salary wise. You have to look to moves ahead

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Burks has a better expiring contract than Korver and we got two second round picks
Maybe Burks with a change of scenery will blossom. I highly doubt it so we move him for more assets or add him to help facilitate another deal
Trades don’t have to be one move then that’s it. NBA is more of a chess game roster and salary wise. You have to look to moves ahead

No one blossoms on the Cavs.

 

[Cavatt]

No one blossoms on the Cavs.

Blatt was the only coach that got more out of guys than what they were

 

[chomba]

i still find it hilarious people thought korver could get fultz. fucking hilarious.

 

[chomba]

View: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1067947703487905793


Seems like Sixers pulled Fultz from the table and the Cavs pulled the trigger on the Utah trade.

He was never on the table for such trade lmfao. Jesus they were never traded a former number 1 pick for 37 year old kyle korver

 

[chomba]

As of 2020, Fultz's contract looks like it could be a bad contract if he can't put it together enough to look like a legitimate starting NBA point guard. His option will be for over $12 million if they take that option. His cap hit in 2021 would be $24.5 million with a QO at almost $16 million. So, the Cavs would have to be extremely confident Fultz is going to get back on track to invest more than a straight up trade for Korver. Time is ticking just like it was with Anthony Bennett on his #1 overall pick scale.

Its not a similar situation since Fultz is supremely talented and while his upside is limited if he can't shoot he can still contribute

 

[chomba]

On this deal im pleased we got 2 seconds. Look at nets got loads of picks and could be valuable in future. Good luck kyle!

 

[chomba]

I assume Burks will be gone by the deadline. He is a good expiring.

Lets say we can get a decent package for JR to take Melo and Knight from Houston, that can't happen till December 15th. Maybe Chriss and Dekker are involved too. If Houston gives us their 1st and 2nd round picks, I say that's a win for us. Package the 2nd rounders from Korver, the Miami protected from Wade, and this year's Houston, that sounds like alot on paper for Fultz but really it isn't. That's just a bunch of #45-60 picks which the hit rate is so low that they might come out with one rotation player if they are lucky.

They wouldn't do that. I dont even think they're desperate to trade him Woj said so himself.

 

[Cavatt]

Its not a similar situation since Fultz is supremely talented and while his upside is limited if he can't shoot he can still contribute

Fact is though he hasn't shown he can be an NBA player at all. Redraft that class, Tatum goes #1, Ball maybe goes around 10 and Fultz might get drafted late in the first round. No one would draft him anywhere near the lottery with what we know now.

I think it was probably overestimating that they think they could get him for Korver, but depending on how the rest of this year pans out, it might be less.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Fact is though he hasn't shown he can be an NBA player at all. Redraft that class, Tatum goes #1, Ball maybe goes around 10 and Fultz might get drafted late in the first round. No one would draft him anywhere near the lottery with what we know now.

I think it was probably overestimating that they think they could get him for Korver, but depending on how the rest of this year pans out, it might be less.

In other words, Bennett and Fultz will stop being a comparable situation once Fultz displays traits at the NBA level which differ from Bennett's career trajectory. Until then, they run the risk of being a bad contract. The player himself won't complain about being drafted too high and make too much money. Good for them... but it doesn't mean the Cavs should take on that potentially risky contract.

 

[inliner311]

In other words, Bennett and Fultz will stop being a comparable situation once Fultz displays traits at the NBA level which differ from Bennett's career trajectory. Until then, they run the risk of being a bad contract. The player himself won't complain about being drafted too high and make too much money. Good for them... but it doesn't mean the Cavs should take on that potentially risky contract.

Exactly. A team will want to see him play on their team and evaluate him internally before picking up his 4th year option. If he keeps playing like he has, I think his value take a nose dive after the trade deadline. It's one thing to be able to evaluate him for half a season then decide on his 12 million option which has to be made a year in advance. If a team isn't able to do that and he gets moved in the summer, I can't see a team giving up any good assets for him. Plus Philly will want to move him if they can get a max free agent, at that point they will most likely have to pay an asset to get rid of him.

 

[Real Deal]

Quin Snyder drew up plays for Korver that Ty Lue could only dream about.

Korver even called Quin a mad scientist. Players know when they have good coaches and system's.