Hollywood scandal

[Nathan S]

I don't necessarily disagree @The Human Q-Tip, but the typical conservative stance is that individuals shouldn't be blamed for making the economically sensible decision, even if it's not the morally "right" decision.

How is that stance consistent with your reasoning here? Or do you not agree with that stance in general?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

As a marine would you tell your unit that you got raped by a guy?

Yes I would, but again, I am excluding rape victims too traumatized to bring it up at all.
So to the extent that's where you and others keep going, that is a strawman because it is not part of my point.
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How about discussing what actually is my point? I mentioned Jennifer Lawrence talking about someone being excessively sleazy to her when she was only 15. She described the entire incident, so she's not too traumatized to do that. But she refuses to name names. What is the excuse for that?

Or would you "move on" and continue with an otherwise promising career with a bright future? What if you did come forward and were offered a promotion for your troubles?

That is the logic that leads to the Blue Wall, and to unreported war crimes. No thanks.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I don't necessarily disagree @The Human Q-Tip, but the typical conservative stance is that individuals shouldn't be blamed for making the economically sensible decision, even if it's not the morally "right" decision.

In what universe is that true?

The left repeatedly expresses bewilderment at all the working/middle class people who vote for conservatives/Republicans "against their own economic interests." We'd all be better off with higher taxes on the rich, and more benefits, etc.. Right? Yet, we consistently vote differently, and that stuns the left. You guys just can't understand why anyone would do that. It's the left , not the right, that constantly equates direct, personal economic benefit to how people should vote.

So no, I don't believe in that personally, nor do I know any Republican friends who think money should be more important than morality . That's why we are much more likely to believe in hard punishments for crimes like shoplifting, looting, , etc., even if it isn't our money etc.. Because it is wrong. Morality is more important.

Really, It's amazing how wrong the left gets this mindset. I've known so many working/middle class conservatives, and they don't begrudge other people who manage to get wealthy. They actually believe in and support the principle that this is a country where you can get rich, even if it doesn't happen to them. And in general, they'd sooner support themselves and do with a little bit less than receive an unearned government handout. Even if that isn't the best thing for their own financial situation.

The class warfare mindset -- that I'm going to get as much as I can get for myself because those rich bastards "didn't build that" -- is on the other side of the spectrum.

 

[Nathan S]

In what universe is that true?

The left repeatedly expresses bewilderment at all the working/middle class people who vote for conservatives/Republicans "against their own economic interests." We'd all be better off with higher taxes on the rich, and more benefits, etc.. Right? Yet, we consistently vote differently, and that stuns the left. You guys just can't understand why anyone would do that. It's the left , not the right, that constantly equates direct, personal economic benefit to how people should vote.

So no, I don't believe in that personally, nor do I know any Republican friends who think money should be more important than morality . That's why we are much more likely to believe in hard punishments for crimes like shoplifting, looting, , etc., even if it isn't our money etc.. Because it is wrong. Morality is more important.

Really, It's amazing how wrong the left gets this mindset. I've known so many working/middle class conservatives, and they don't begrudge other people who manage to get wealthy. They actually believe in and support the principle that this is a country where you can get rich, even if it doesn't happen to them. And in general, they'd sooner support themselves and do with a little bit less than receive an unearned government handout. Even if that isn't the best thing for their own financial situation.

The class warfare mindset -- that I'm going to get as much as I can get for myself because those rich bastards "didn't build that" -- is on the other side of the spectrum.

Well, that's an interesting wrinkle. When poor people, women, and dare I say minorities, make immoral decisions for their own personal gain, republicans do indeed take a stand. When rich people make immoral decisions for their own personal gain, republicans see beautiful, unbridled capitalism.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

When rich people make immoral decisions for their own personal gain, republicans see beautiful, unbridled capitalism.

So you think when some rich guy does something scuzzy and immoral to make more money, conservatives sit around high-fiving each other that he screwed people over?

All you see are caricatures. That's why you'll never persuade anybody who doesn't already agree with you.

 

[Tlyons]

She described the entire incident, so she's not too traumatized to do that. But she refuses to name names. What is the excuse for that?

Um because the accuser can destroy her. Also if she comes forward there is no guarantee her guilty as sin accuser will be held accountable (see first sentence).

So it's risk public humiliation and likely career suicide or keep your career and get a huge payoff.

 

[Nathan S]

So you think when some rich guy does something scuzzy and immoral to make more money, conservatives sit around high-fiving each other that he screwed people over?

All you see are caricatures. That's why you'll never persuade anybody who doesn't already agree with you.

I mean, that's Trump and his supporters in a nutshell, right?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

So it's risk public humiliation and likely career suicide or keep your career and get a huge payoff.

So let me get this straight -- the most highly-paid actress in the world, worth well over $100M, and who was listed on Times List of the 100 Most Influential People in the world, is worried that her career might suffer if she named the person who humiliates and abuses girls under the age of 18?

You just made my point for me.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I mean, that's Trump and his supporters in a nutshell, right?

Right on cue!

 

[Tlyons]

So let me get this straight -- the most highly-paid actress in the world, worth well over $100M, and who was listed on Times List of the 100 Most Influential People in the world, is worried that her career might suffer if she named the person who humiliates and abuses girls under the age of 18?

You just made my point for me.

Which at this point I'd have to ask...is what?

 

[Nathan S]

Right on cue!

Not sure if you're agreeing with me, or if you're living in some alternate universe where Trump isn't a morally bankrupt plutocrat. I thought that was pretty obvious to everyone at this point.

 

[The Oi]

@The Human Q-Tip you’re having to backtrack and move the goalposts all over the place on your original statement about cowardice.

I’m not one to care if people own up to piss poor arguments. You can do it or not do it. I don’t care.

But your original statement made zero sense and if it was me, I’d have either not said it or just owned it.

I’ll leave you guys to it.

 

[TyGuy]

Jessica Chastain On Hollywood Hypocrisy: We Rally Against Trump While Ignoring 'Sexual Predators In Our Offices'
"[T]here is a clear disconnect between how we practice what we preach in our industry."

Jon Kopaloff/FilmMagic

ByJames Barrett
October 19, 2017
73.4k views
At a women in entertainment event on Monday, actress Jessica Chastain unloaded on Hollywood's hypocrisy, exposed in a glaring way over the last two weeks by the accusations of sexual misconduct against megaproducer Harvey Weinstein, whose alleged behavior was an "open secret" in Hollywood for decades.

At ELLE's "Women in Entertainment" event, in a room The Hollywood Reporter notes included many famous faces, Chastain laid bare the egregious "disconnect" between what Hollywood preaches in public and what it actually practices behind closed doors.


"This is an industry rife with racism, sexism and homophobia," said Chastain, who was one of the actresses to quickly come out in condemnation of Weinstein and those who looked the other way over the decades. "It is so closely woven into the fabric of the business that we have become snowblind to the glaring injustices happening every day."

"Oh we're very quick to point the finger at others and address the issue with social action and fundraising," she continued. "Yet there is a clear disconnect between how we practice what we preach in our industry."

Citing Hollywood's public promotion of same-sex marriage and gender equality but private suppression of homosexual relationships and perpetuation of the gender pay gap, Chastain slammed the industry for failing to honestly look inward. Chastain specifically cited Weinstein and pointed out that while the industry was allowing his alleged behavior to continue, Hollywood was rallying against Donald Trump for his "grab them by the p****" comment.

"We rally against the presidential candidate who slants a narrative of his sexual assault as mere locker room talk, but at the same time we ignore the stories and warnings of sexual predators in our offices," she said.


While Meryl Streep and other formerly Weinstein-promoting celebrities claim not to have known about his actions over all those years, Chastain tweeted a few days after the accusations began to stream in that the stories about Weinstein "were everywhere."

"I was warned from the beginning," Chastain wrote on Oct. 9. "The stories were everywhere. To deny that is to create an environment for it to happen again."

Another famous actress who spoke at the event was Reese Witherspoon, who alleged that she was sexually assaulted by a director at age 16 but forced to stay silent on condition of employment.

"I have my own experiences that have come back to me very vividly and I find it really hard to sleep, hard to think, hard to communicate a lot of the feelings that I’ve been having about anxiety, about being honest, the guilt for not speaking up earlier," she said. "[I feel] true disgust at the director who assaulted me when I was 16-years-old and anger at the agents and the producers who made me feel that silence was a condition of my employment."

In her remarks at the event, Jennifer Lawrence described a humiliating episode in which a female producer made her and other "much thinner" actresses form a "nude line-up." The producer allegedly told her to use the photo of her next to the thinner women as inspiration for going on a diet. Lawrence said that when she told another producer that the whole degrading incident was unacceptable, he told her she was "perfectly f***able" and "didn’t know why everyone thought she was so fat."

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22465/jessica-chastain-hollywood-hypocrisy-we-rally-james-barrett

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

@The Human Q-Tip you’re having to backtrack and move the goalposts all over the place on your original statement about cowardice.

Here is my original statement. Tell me how I moved from this:

Weinstein is an absolute pig.

On the flip side, the Hollywood pricks are so fucking sanctimonious about how it is their duty to speak "truth to power", and always talk about the "courage" to make important social statements, etc.. They lecture us about "standing up for what is right" because their "art" inspires us to do great things, right?

Well, turns out that was all just a batch of bullshit. Not a spine in the lot of them - they just bandwagon on social trends where "speaking out" actually makes them more popular, and everyone applauds their "bravery."

But the guys who knew said nothing, and a bunch of the women allegedly so concerned about how women in general are treated were perfectly willing to keep quiet in a cash for non-disclosure clause exchange.

It is really hard to understand the righteous sanctimony from women like Rose McGowan. Blasting men for covering for him, yet she apparently took $100g to keep quiet, and let him go on doing it to other women without speaking out. And it wasn't just a rumor or hearsay to her - she was perfectly capable of speaking out in a factually manner from her own experience. Except....

"Hey Rose, how much will it take for you to sell other females down the river? $100,000? You got it!"

At least Hanoi Jane had the honestly to be embarrassed about keeping it quiet.

So where did I move the goalposts? The women I blasted were specifically those who took money in exchange for their silence. I've been hammering that exact same issue here since.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Jessica Chastain On Hollywood Hypocrisy: We Rally Against Trump While Ignoring 'Sexual Predators In Our Offices'
"[T]here is a clear disconnect between how we practice what we preach in our industry."

Jon Kopaloff/FilmMagic

ByJames Barrett
October 19, 2017
73.4k views
At a women in entertainment event on Monday, actress Jessica Chastain unloaded on Hollywood's hypocrisy, exposed in a glaring way over the last two weeks by the accusations of sexual misconduct against megaproducer Harvey Weinstein, whose alleged behavior was an "open secret" in Hollywood for decades.

At ELLE's "Women in Entertainment" event, in a room The Hollywood Reporter notes included many famous faces, Chastain laid bare the egregious "disconnect" between what Hollywood preaches in public and what it actually practices behind closed doors.


"This is an industry rife with racism, sexism and homophobia," said Chastain, who was one of the actresses to quickly come out in condemnation of Weinstein and those who looked the other way over the decades. "It is so closely woven into the fabric of the business that we have become snowblind to the glaring injustices happening every day."

"Oh we're very quick to point the finger at others and address the issue with social action and fundraising," she continued. "Yet there is a clear disconnect between how we practice what we preach in our industry."

Citing Hollywood's public promotion of same-sex marriage and gender equality but private suppression of homosexual relationships and perpetuation of the gender pay gap, Chastain slammed the industry for failing to honestly look inward. Chastain specifically cited Weinstein and pointed out that while the industry was allowing his alleged behavior to continue, Hollywood was rallying against Donald Trump for his "grab them by the p****" comment.

"We rally against the presidential candidate who slants a narrative of his sexual assault as mere locker room talk, but at the same time we ignore the stories and warnings of sexual predators in our offices," she said.


While Meryl Streep and other formerly Weinstein-promoting celebrities claim not to have known about his actions over all those years, Chastain tweeted a few days after the accusations began to stream in that the stories about Weinstein "were everywhere."

"I was warned from the beginning," Chastain wrote on Oct. 9. "The stories were everywhere. To deny that is to create an environment for it to happen again."

Another famous actress who spoke at the event was Reese Witherspoon, who alleged that she was sexually assaulted by a director at age 16 but forced to stay silent on condition of employment.

"I have my own experiences that have come back to me very vividly and I find it really hard to sleep, hard to think, hard to communicate a lot of the feelings that I’ve been having about anxiety, about being honest, the guilt for not speaking up earlier," she said. "[I feel] true disgust at the director who assaulted me when I was 16-years-old and anger at the agents and the producers who made me feel that silence was a condition of my employment."

In her remarks at the event, Jennifer Lawrence described a humiliating episode in which a female producer made her and other "much thinner" actresses form a "nude line-up." The producer allegedly told her to use the photo of her next to the thinner women as inspiration for going on a diet. Lawrence said that when she told another producer that the whole degrading incident was unacceptable, he told her she was "perfectly f***able" and "didn’t know why everyone thought she was so fat."

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22465/jessica-chastain-hollywood-hypocrisy-we-rally-james-barrett

W.T.F.

So now it's Jessica Chastain chewing everybody else out for not speaking up about what they knew, while admitting that she knew about it all along. I mean, if there was even a hint of "I'm as guilty as the rest of you" in there, I'd get it. But it's as if she's completely oblivious to the reality that she's one of the people she just called out.