Hollywood scandal

[TyGuy]

W.T.F.

So now it's Jessica Chastain chewing everybody else out for not speaking up about what they knew, while admitting that she knew about it all along. I mean, if there was even a hint of "I'm as guilty as the rest of you" in there, I'd get it.

At least that director called himself out too.

 

[-Akronite-]

W.T.F.

So now it's Jessica Chastain chewing everybody else out for not speaking up about what they knew, while admitting that she knew about it all along. I mean, if there was even a hint of "I'm as guilty as the rest of you" in there, I'd get it. But it's as if she's completely oblivious to the reality that she's one of the people she just called out.

Huh? She says "we" throughout the whole thing.

"We rally against the presidential candidate who slants a narrative of his sexual assault as mere locker room talk, but at the same time we ignore the stories and warnings of sexual predators in our offices," she said.

...

"I was warned from the beginning," Chastain wrote on Oct. 9. "The stories were everywhere. To deny that is to create an environment for it to happen again."

There's more than a hint, it's right there... I feel like her viewpoint is in agreement with yours and calls out the Hollywood hypocrisy people are so fervent about in here, so what's the issue?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Not sure if you're agreeing with me, or if you're living in some alternate universe where Trump isn't a morally bankrupt plutocrat. I thought that was pretty obvious to everyone at this point.

Oh no, I'm not agreeing with you. I said this:

So you think when some rich guy does something scuzzy and immoral to make more money, conservatives sit around high-fiving each other that he screwed people over?

Then you said:

I mean, that's Trump and his supporters in a nutshell, right?

You think Trump supporters all sit around high-fiving each other when some rich guy does something scuzzy and immoral to make more money. And that perfectly demonstrated my point that you see anyone who supports Trump as a caricature.

 

[Nathan S]

Oh no, I'm not agreeing with you. I said this:



Then you said:



You think Trump supporters all sit around high-fiving each other when Trump does something scuzzy and immoral to make more money. And that perfectly demonstrated my point that you see anyone who supports Trump as a caricature.

Fixed that for you...

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Huh? She says "we" throughout the whole thing.



There's more than a hint, it's right there... I feel like her viewpoint is in agreement with yours and calls out the Hollywood hypocrisy people are so fervent about in here, so what's the issue?

I see what you mean, but I think the collective "we" is used as a diffusion of individual responsibility. To put it differently, imagine that article rewritten from the first person perspective -- first pointing a finger at herself for not doing what needed doing, saying that she knew and said nothing. Then, promising to do better in the future, and urging others to do the same. That is a much more powerful message.

If you're "unloading on Hollywood's hypocrisy", but not directly accepting responsibility yourself, that's just going to lead right back to everyone thinking that others were at fault for not speaking out.

 

[MRMsix6]

Except in West Virginia, there the most common place to find a spouse is a family reunion.

 

[Soda]

W.T.F.

So now it's Jessica Chastain chewing everybody else out for not speaking up about what they knew, while admitting that she knew about it all along. I mean, if there was even a hint of "I'm as guilty as the rest of you" in there, I'd get it. But it's as if she's completely oblivious to the reality that she's one of the people she just called out.

So, she should shut-up about this because she's part of it? Should whistleblowers be shunned too because they were complicit for "X" amount of time while they were employed? Under your assertion here, nobody in Hollywood should say a thing? Is self-realization a bad thing? Should Jessica Chastain not look in the mirror?

I don't understand this angle you're on Q. I always thought someone prodding their peers to do a good thing was... Leadership.

 

[Whittaker]

I don't understand this angle you're on Q. I always thought someone prodding their peers to do a good thing was... Leadership.

It is if you have been leading by example.
If you do one thing and preach another you are not a leader.

 

[Soda]

It is if you have been leading by example.
If you do one thing and preach another you are not a leader.

So where does Jessica Chastain start? And how, by example? Should she officially start leading by driving a spike into Harvey Weinstein's groin in front of everyone at the Oscars? Or, does it suffice to give a wake-up call that everyone, including the public, will be able to hear?

I mean, there was first a problem with how quickly the ladies trying to do something did it (i.e. personal statutes of limitation (which, oddly, we use as a crutch in other arguments, legally)). Now, there's an issue with someone trying to vocally lead/encourage others to... wait for it.... do something exemplary.

At some point, I think folks are trying to find ways to say, but not really say, STFU to these people. And that's not the answer.

 

[Sebastian]

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

So where does Jessica Chastain start?

She says it's more widespread than Weinstein, so the obvious way to lead is to name names. Pretty simple.

Telling everyone that they've been hypocrites by covering it up, but then not naming names yourself, is like Al Gore preaching against global warming while spewing out far more than his share of carbon emissions.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I always thought someone prodding their peers to do a good thing was... Leadership.

"Do as I say, not as I do" isn't leadership. And I believe the slogan for the Army infantry school is "Follow me!", not "I'm right behind you!"

 

[caf]

She says it's more widespread that Weinstein, so the obvious way to lead is to name names. Pretty simple.

Telling everyone that they've been hypocrites by covering it up, but then not naming names yourself, is like Al Gore preaching against global warming while spewing out far more than his share of carbon emissions.

Yeah. Ol' boy Al Gore says the oceans are going to rise 20 feet and the next day buys a beach house.

What a putz.

 

[billmac91]

I love Dave....his beef with Hollywood is even more clear in light of the last 2 weeks.....

 

[CleveRocks]

naming names is activism, which can lead to change, but leadership requires more than castigating the offenders, it requires a vision of how to change the system/culure to prevent abuse. I have not heard that from anyone tbh... Putting women in positions of power is not really addressing the problem, if those women have the same ability to abuse it, someone will.

i am thinking that the process of making entertainment content is changing, and perhaps that will decentralize the power base that decides what to air