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inliner311 said:
If this is true then I'm fine with the cop out. I just wanted to point out that if you say you will jump in the lake in a press conference in January no one is picturing jumping in the lake in June.
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No. He must jump into freezing water and DIE to satisfy the Browns fans in this forum!!!
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
There is no GM in the history of the world worse than George Kokinis and Ray Farmer.
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Kokinis wasn't even the GM really...Mangini will openly say he used a draft guide to make the selections the first year he was in charge. By draft guide, it was a book a private scout made and that was the base for our board. Can't remember the cost of it but reporters have said how much it was on podcasts. Like it wasn't a newstand price item but it also wasn't the amount of money you would expect a NFL team would have to pay for that much scouting.
 
inliner311 said:
Kokinis wasn't even the GM really...Mangini will openly say he used a draft guide to make the selections the first year he was in charge. By draft guide, it was a book a private scout made and that was the base for our board. Can't remember the cost of it but reporters have said how much it was on podcasts. Like it wasn't a newstand price item but it also wasn't the amount of money you would expect a NFL team would have to pay for that much scouting.
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I mean none of these guys were "good" per se.

But the best thing you can say about Sashi is like, he made the team bad intentionally. That's the opposite of a ringing endorsement.
 
Chris said:
I mean none of these guys were "good" per se.

But the best thing you can say about Sashi is like, he made the team bad intentionally. That's the opposite of a ringing endorsement.
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Well, in that case, he’s the first GM we’ve had to accomplish what he set out to do.

That’s worth something.
 
Chris said:
I mean none of these guys were "good" per se.

But the best thing you can say about Sashi is like, he made the team bad intentionally. That's the opposite of a ringing endorsement.
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He also fell on his sword to kill that abomination of a AJ McCarron trade.
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
He also fell on his sword to kill that abomination of a AJ McCarron trade.
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Allegedly, anyways. If that is really what went down, then that is actually the best thing he did. Which, again, means he was still pretty awful.

With our luck McCarron will turn out to be good.
 
Chris said:
Allegedly, anyways. If that is really what went down, then that is actually the best thing he did. Which, again, means he was still pretty awful.

With our luck McCarron will turn out to be good.
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The things Sashi is hailed for doing are hilarious. It's like bringing a date to Christmas dinner, that date farting at the table, then you defending said date because the fart wasn't wet and smelly.

"Well, at least they didn't shit themselves like the last date!" - Sashi fans talking Ray Farmer :chuckle:
 
I don't want to keep rehashing the Sashi argument. For the most part I liked what Dorsey did in this draft.

I think Sashi will ultimately be the great unknown. I don't think he was worried for his job, I think he thought he would have a few years since it was a total gut job. I think had the time line sped up and he knew about it he would have made more plays. This is all speculation on my part, but I think they would have been just as active this year with Sashi at the helm as Dorsey has been.

I get the frustration of being 1-31, he's not totally at blame for this. We were playing younger guys with a bottom 3 NFL coaching staff, it's not exactly hard to figure out why they struggled the last two years.
 
The Sashi stuff is all a joke right? Like I’m pretty sure it’s just a running gag with Chris

Sashi was objectively the best GM this team has had since the return besides maybe Heckert if you believe that the Walrus forced the Weeden pick and he was one of the best GMs in the entire NFL. Top 10 at the very least
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
The Sashi stuff is all a joke right? Like I’m pretty sure it’s just a running gag with Chris

Sashi was objectively the best GM this team has had since the return besides maybe Heckert if you believe that the Walrus forced the Weeden pick and he was one of the best GMs in the entire NFL. Top 10 at the very least
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Most of it was, yeah, but no really...I don't think Sashi was any good. At all.

edit: Ohh, I get it. I get it. I see what you're doing. :chuckle: Nice!
 
FiveThous said:
I don't want to keep rehashing the Sashi argument. For the most part I liked what Dorsey did in this draft.

I think Sashi will ultimately be the great unknown. I don't think he was worried for his job, I think he thought he would have a few years since it was a total gut job. I think had the time line sped up and he knew about it he would have made more plays. This is all speculation on my part, but I think they would have been just as active this year with Sashi at the helm as Dorsey has been.

I get the frustration of being 1-31, he's not totally at blame for this. We were playing younger guys with a bottom 3 NFL coaching staff, it's not exactly hard to figure out why they struggled the last two years.
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The concept of playing younger guys, or gutting the roster of veterans, was his. A large part of why the team is 1-31 is because of that conscious strategic decision to have little to no veterans at each position. It's much less difficult to deconstruct a roster and collect picks than it is to build a decent team.

You can rip the coaching staff all you want. That's fair. The strength of the reek of Hue shouldn't distract everyone from the fact that Sashi was standing there stinking at the same time, though.
 
Haslam is like someone who bought an old, historic building that was falling down, wanting to remodel it into something decent. He wasted a lot of time and money by hiring inept contractors to do the job and he ended up with a building that was still in need of a complete remodel job.

Sashi was the demo crew whose job it was to tear this team down to the studs for a complete makeover. Plus he ordered a few of the high quality future building blocks and pieces along the way.

Dorsey is the general contractor hired to put it all back together the right way, for the first time in a long time. Hue is a sub contractor who has already screwed some shit up and who is on the thinnest ice possible, with several other competing subcontractors working by his side ready to step in if he falls short.

Sashi did what he was hired to do, but you don't keep the demo crew around for the finish work. Hue has like a half a season to get his shit together.
 
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