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Hue Jackson and Todd Haley Fired

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CBBI said:
My biggest concern with Campbell (and Riley for that matter) is the lack of NFL contacts.

How would he fill out a staff? Does he know many people in the NFL that would even be willing to work with him? Would he try to bring his entire group from Iowa State?
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I am not advocating for anyone at this point as I am not knowledgeable yet on who I want to replace Hue, but if Campbell is the man they want, they can use Dorsey's contacts as well as Campbells to fill out a staff.

I think one of our biggest issues since '99 has been that the HC and GM seem to fight with each other instead of work together. Get me a coach who is innovative and willing to work with GM and not throw him under the bus, and I think things will work out with the amount of talent we are putting together.

Once Hue is fired, someone needs to kidnap Haslam so he has zero input and Dorsey can actually pick his guy instead of a guy he likes but Haslam ends up picking.
 
Soda said:
The biggest issue I have with a coach contract like that is it inevitably upends the GM's significance. A coach being paid that much makes the decisions on personnel as well; the GM merely carries out the orders. I want Dorsey to have a real shot to do his own thing and build the Browns as he sees fit over the long-term. Hopefully, he can find a HC who is willing to work with him, rather than struggle for power against him.
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That's the better scenario IMO.

It's also not -impossible- for a college coach to succeed.
Dick Vermeil found success with the Eagles, Rams, and Chiefs after coaching UCLA
Jimmy Johnson won 2 super bowls after winning a national title with Miami, coaching at Oklahoma State.
Barry Switzer pretty much rode his coattails but can at least claim a similiar success rate.
Pete Carroll dipped his toe into coaching the Jets, Patriots...went to USC won a national title...got out of their before the sanctions hit and went to win a Super Bowl with the Seahakws
Tom Coughlin was an assistant with the Giants, won with Boston College than parlayed that into a gig with the Jaguars, Giants winning Super Bowls with each.
Jim Harbaugh had success with Stanford, the 49ers before dipping out and taking the gig with his alma mater again.
Bill Walsh learned under Paul Brown with the Bengals, then went to Stanford and then took off again for the 49ers.

"Failures" would be?
Nick Saban
Steve Spurrier
Lou Holtz
Chip Kelly

I refuse to put Butch Davis on that last btw because I think he could have been a very successful pro coach under different circumstances. He had a good philosophy, was able to find randos off the street to play well for him, and even was able to find good coordinators on his staff. The Browns organization failed him, not the other way around.

Getting back to the overall point? Yes. This needs to be Dorsey's team at this point and this needs to be his decision. Not Haslam's. Unless Haslam has a coach he knows of, has contact with and they both seem to like? (I don't know...say he knows a guy who knows someone like Gus Malzahn, etc) than this is Dorsey's search.
 
Triple-S said:
That's the better scenario IMO.


I refuse to put Butch Davis on that last btw because I think he could have been a very successful pro coach under different circumstances. He had a good philosophy, was able to find randos off the street to play well for him, and even was able to find good coordinators on his staff. The Browns organization failed him, not the other way around.
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Butch Davis took a bad Browns team to the playoffs. Not sure he was a huge success, but he for sure wasn't a failure. He was easily the best coach the "new" Browns have had and the QB controversy ultimately did him in. If he had a real qb like an uninjured Couch or what Baker looks like he could be, he would have made several playoff appearances.

Butch was his own doing by taking on both GM and HC duties without having a long NFL tenure to do so. Typically the dual duties of HC and GM just don't work. Belicheck is the exception not the rule in this case.
 
Lee said:
Butch Davis took a bad Browns team to the playoffs. Not sure he was a huge success, but he for sure wasn't a failure. He was easily the best coach the "new" Browns have had and the QB controversy ultimately did him in. If he had a real qb like an uninjured Couch or what Baker looks like he could be, he would have made several playoff appearances.

Butch was his own doing by taking on both GM and HC duties without having a long NFL tenure to do so. Typically the dual duties of HC and GM just don't work. Belicheck is the exception not the rule in this case.
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His mentor Jimmy Johnson was similar in that realm as well.

He would have succeeded in a scenario where he had a "friend" as Team VP/GM in that realm. The president of the Cowboys, Jerry Jones went to Arkansas with him and had a football background. He sort of served as the "GM" in that realm though it could be argued the pair "shared" that role.

There was no one like that though. You had Carmen Policy who was a "cap specialist", Al, Randy Lerner which seem a bit "out of touch" in that realm and then they hired Ron Wolf...a highly qualified individual but one with more of a background with the Packers, not the 90's Cowboys.
 
I know it is preferred to wait until the bye week...but what’s the fucking point. Haley is already in house anyway and running the offense. Name him interim and get it over with. Cut the bullshit and get rid of this guy. 3-35-1!!!!!!
 
SanduskyCav said:
I know it is preferred to wait until the bye week...but what’s the fucking point. Haley is already in house anyway and running the offense. Name him interim and get it over with. Cut the bullshit and get rid of this guy. 3-35-1!!!!!!
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Why do you think Haley would be any better? He's a huge part of the problem.
 
CBBI said:
View: https://twitter.com/KeithBritton86/status/1054116072218157056


If you look up flaccid penis in the dictionary, it's a picture of Hue Jackson.
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His response here might actually be his most fireable offense this season.

Just let Haley take over for the rest of the season. Name him the interim HC going into PIT where he's been the last few years. It will energize the team. Perfect storm set up to just roll with Haley the rest of the season.
 
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