Hue Jackson and Todd Haley Fired

[MoFlo]

I wonder what people would be saying if Wentz had bombed the first 3 games and some people were this definitive in saying we made the right decision..

 

[Los216]

There was a point during this game when I stopped and thought to myself that if this were any of our previous three head coaches this game would have been over in the first quarter. There wouldn't have been any notable young players out there actually getting better.

Hue and this staff are doing a great job so far this season all things considered.

 

[AZ_]

I don't think they are using basic stats like yards, completion percentage, etc. I think they use more complex stats, probably some that they have to score themselves by breaking down tape.

Then level of competition shouldn't be an issue.

It's not always about metrics, or running numbers.

Their evaluation of Wentz was clearly off, and I don't have any reason to believe it was because of didn't fit some sabermetric profile.

 

[billmac91]

I'd like us to get Cam Robinson in the draft, but that's an easier pick if we had multiple top 5 choices.

As is, I still think the Browns brass may view the QB position a lot different than "Joe-fan". The Patriots have been a machine with Jimmy G and then Brissett. The Broncos just won the SuperBowl with the definition of a game manager. QB's are vital but I think when you have made Cincy a SuperBowl contender with Andy Dalton, you may have a bit of a confidence around your scheme and development.

I'm not against taking Watson or Kizer or whoever else the flavor of the month is.....but this team needs talent in multiple positions. I still like Hue's ability to make the most of what we have and tailoring the system to the QB's strengths.

I'll save my opinions for another thread, but I think there are some 2nd-4th round gems in the next draft at QB. I don't believe Watson or Kizer are sure things but time will tell.

In the meantime, at least be thankful our games are entertains as hell. It could be worse. We could be a boring AF team like Chicago. And we still get Gordon back which could be a lot of fun with Coleman in the slot and Pryor on outside. I look forward to 2017-2018 and beyond.

 

[BimboColesHair]

There was a point during this game when I stopped and thought to myself that if this were any of our previous three head coaches this game would have been over in the first quarter. There wouldn't have been any notable young players out there actually getting better.

Hue and this staff are doing a great job so far this season all things considered.

Can't tell you how fun it is to watch those things as a fan when you jettison a ton of vets and invest heavily in a ton of draft picks/youth...now you guys need to see it keep progressing, and having a coach/coaches who are tough on the guys is paramount to that. The next thing you want to see is that your young guys progress to winning a game or 2 down the stretch.

 

[godfather]

The Browns have been bad, but they've not been boring. I've seen more energy, effort, excitement from the players and just overall better execution in two games than I saw in the Pettine/Farmer era.

I thought the last two games were very entertaining and fun to watch. I can't remember the last time I felt that way about this team.

 

[MD13]

Just watched Hue's press conference after the game. The media kept giving him opportunities to blame Parkey for the loss, but he completely owned up to it and took full responsibility. Obviously we're a long way away and we need an influx of talent badly, but I'm more confident after 3 games that Hue is the right man for the job than I was when he was hired.

 

[Lee]

Just watched Hue's press conference after the game. The media kept giving him opportunities to blame Parkey for the loss, but he completely owned up to it and took full responsibility. Obviously we're a long way away and we need an influx of talent badly, but I'm more confident after 3 games that Hue is the right man for the job than I was when he was hired.

He might not have said it publicly because Hue is a class act, but when Parkey is cut this week, we will know what he really thought.

 

[MD13]

He might not have said it publicly because Hue is a class act, but when Parkey is cut this week, we will know what he really thought.

Oh there's no way he plays for us next week, but it says a lot about him that he wouldn't put any blame on him. Compare that to someone like Jay Gruden who would probably throw his own brother under the bus to escape criticism.

 

[Lee]

Oh there's no way he plays for us next week, but it says a lot about him that he wouldn't put any blame on him. Compare that to someone like Jay Gruden who would probably throw his own brother under the bus to escape criticism.

I was making a joke, but I will say I love Hue more and more each week. Very innovative, we had no business being in this game and we should have won it. The way he used Pryor, young players are getting better.

We traded away or cut allot of our vet talent, got rid of 3 of our last 5 1st rounders and then had our top 2 qb's and top 2 rookies and our defensive leader all hurt this week and somehow we take the game to OT even with 3 fg's missed under 50 yards?

Give this man 2 or 3 more years and we will have a contender. I do believe that.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I was making a joke, but I will say I love Hue more and more each week. Very innovative, we had no business being in this game and we should have won it. The way he used Pryor, young players are getting better.

We traded away or cut allot of our vet talent, got rid of 3 of our last 5 1st rounders and then had our top 2 qb's and top 2 rookies and our defensive leader all hurt this week and somehow we take the game to OT even with 3 fg's missed under 50 yards?

Give this man 2 or 3 more years and we will have a contender. I do believe that.

Even if we may have whiffed on Wentz, it's refreshing to have a head coach who actually seems to know what the fuck he's doing. We're not going to be good this year, but as long as we continue to see our young players improve, that's all that really matters.

 

[Soda]

Since this is the "Everything NFL Thread"... How does Darren Sproles keep getting massively undervalued?? That guy was so important for Wentz yesterday. If you looked at the stat-line, but not the game, you wouldn't realize it. He's so good.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Doesn't take a genius to realize what Wentz has the potential to be.

If you need to wait a few more games, that's your perogative I suppose.

Kid is a baller.

I don't disagree, I just don't get the point of view some people in this thread have.

If you look at the bust rate of QB's, what are the percentages you even place on a trade like that? Very, very few teams have had success flushing a handful of really valuable draft assets for a QB. The RGIII trade was an absolute disaster. The Jags traded in to the top 10 to select Gabbert. The Jets in to the top 5 to select Sanchez. The Broncos moved to 11 to take Cutler. Etc, etc, etc. There really aren't any instances I could find where trading higher in the 1st round netted someone a franchise QB in the last 10 or so drafts.

There's no doubt it is really frustrating to see Wentz pan out but Cleveland was in a spot where a lot of teams have made terrible decisions. Instead of reaching for a QB they didn't 100% believe in, they opted to take the much higher percentage play of trading down.

They may ultimately be wrong on Wentz but I don't really see how the trade was poorly executed. They got great value, now they are tasked with making good selections. People will surely go on the "only the QB matters" rant but I will personally reserve my judgement for at least another draft here. The Browns seem primed for a #1 overall QB and have a ton of other assets to fill in holes around him. The selections they have made have looked promising and given how young and inexperienced the team is, Hue seems like he knows what he is doing.

This is the first time in a long time where I don't feel like the coach and FO are clueless, so am I drinking too much kool-aid or is the frustration just boiling over for some watching Wentz?

 

[AZ_]

I don't disagree, I just don't get the point of view some people in this thread have.

If you look at the bust rate of QB's, what are the percentages you even place on a trade like that? Very, very few teams have had success flushing a handful of really valuable draft assets for a QB. The RGIII trade was an absolute disaster. The Jags traded in to the top 10 to select Gabbert. The Jets in to the top 5 to select Sanchez. The Broncos moved to 11 to take Cutler. Etc, etc, etc. There really aren't any instances I could find where trading higher in the 1st round netted someone a franchise QB in the last 10 or so drafts.

There's no doubt it is really frustrating to see Wentz pan out but Cleveland was in a spot where a lot of teams have made terrible decisions. Instead of reaching for a QB they didn't 100% believe in, they opted to take the much higher percentage play of trading down.

They may ultimately be wrong on Wentz but I don't really see how the trade was poorly executed. They got great value, now they are tasked with making good selections. People will surely go on the "only the QB matters" rant but I will personally reserve my judgement for at least another draft here. The Browns seem primed for a #1 overall QB and have a ton of other assets to fill in holes around him. The selections they have made have looked promising and given how young and inexperienced the team is, Hue seems like he knows what he is doing.

This is the first time in a long time where I don't feel like the coach and FO are clueless, so am I drinking too much kool-aid or is the frustration just boiling over for some watching Wentz?

I have no issue with the value they received in the trade or the picks they've made after acquiring them.

But the fact they took a HARD look at Wentz and walked away thinking he wasn't that good is concerning, and while the QB isn't the only thing that matters it would sure as hell go a long way to fixing some of the other issues on this team.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I have no issue with the value they received in the trade or the picks they've made after acquiring them.

But the fact they took a HARD look at Wentz and walked away thinking he wasn't that good is concerning, and while the QB isn't the only thing that matters it would sure as hell go a long way to fixing some of the other issues on this team.

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People whiff. It's a difficult position to consistently evaluate. If someone was going to bat 100% on their talent evaluations of QB they would be thrown more money to be a GM than they knew what to do with

I still don't see any reason why they would come out and say they didn't think he would be a top 20 QB. That was just dumb