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im reading a lot of bullshit about places lebron can go to, without discussing cap room or REALISTIC moves to pursue to make them compete with the warriors.

So let’s start a thread where the newbies can refer to before they make senseless remarks.

Let’s discuss cap situations + realistic moves for the following teams (LeBron’s potential shortlist- not in any order)
1. Rockets
2. Philly
3. Cavaliers
4. Spurs
5. Lakers
6. Heat

Have at it, cap-savvy posters!
 
Suns likely believe in Bender and have Chriss. KLove for them doesn't make much sense.
Not sure what Bender has shown them for him to believe in the. Chriss has been better than Bender, but is also not a great complement to Ayton. Love also would provide a vet presence in the starting lineup, so he would make some sense for them, though he's worth more than just #16.
 
im reading a lot of bullshit about places lebron can go to, without discussing cap room or REALISTIC moves to pursue to make them compete with the warriors.

So let’s start a thread where the newbies can refer to before they make senseless remarks.

Let’s discuss cap situations + realistic moves for the following teams (LeBron’s potential shortlist- not in any order)
1. Rockets
2. Philly
3. Cavaliers
4. Spurs
5. Lakers
6. Heat

Have at it, cap-savvy posters!

Here is the best look at cap space after July 1:

http://heathoops.com/salary-index/team-salary-2018-19/

Trades can happen before then. LeBron cannot be traded before then unless he picks up his option. If he picks up his option, LeBron can be traded before the league year turns over and before the draft.

Draft picks can only be traded before the draft. They cannot be traded during the draft - but rights can be traded at this time. So any move for picks and desiring to fully control who gets picked has to happen before the draft begins.

Rockets - Rockets need a third team in all likelihood to land LeBron. Cavs are not going to be willing to eat bad salaries like Anderson, though the Rockets could make a trade without moving Anderson. It is unlikely they can clear enough space to sign LeBron outright without paying a huge amount and it's easier to just deal with a third team and play the salary cap game to make things work. The Cavs will want cheaper contracts and draft picks. Atlanta could be a potential fit for a three way deal.


Philly - Philly is $10M shy from the Max if they clear out a lot of players. It also means they have no shot to re-sign Reddick or anyone else. Best solution for them is a trade as well. The positive is they will have cap room, so they have a nice cache of picks and young talent that they can spell. Fultz immediately jumps to mind considering they have Simmons and McConnell. They also could benefit from moving Bayless and Covington with picks. If LeBron leaves, Philly has the most to offer and can do so without sacrificing a lot of depth AND could re-sign Johnson and others with some form of exception if they do a trade or even lure another big name free agent (not PG quality, but there's a lot of talent out there). If LeBron leaves, Cavs fans should hope for a trade to Philly because it could jump start a rebuild - and they could theoretically be really good with James. Could argue that sending Love, LeBron, and Korver there could make a lot of sense and add the veteran leadership needed.


Cavaliers - They have the tax payer MLE, league min, and 8th pick. They could trade the pick for something, but hard to do that if you don't know if LeBron is staying. They could try to move pieces around or see if they can turn one piece into a better fit - like Love. They could also see about moving Clarkson in trade to a team where he could be a SG off the bench - a role I think he could work well in with a solid guy running PG. Not a lot of flex to fix the roster, but could the roster be made better through coaching? LeBron spoke of basketball IQ. That matters with players and coaches, so guys like JR could be moved (he's and ending deal, so there will be some market). Some things can be done, but they'll have to be creative.

Of course another player could change all this. PG could opt in a force a trade for expiring assets and draft picks. OKC would be forced to do that or get nothing and the wheels could be greased to shift some salary around, but that would require PG to force the issue. The miracle would be keeping LeBron, keeping #8, adding PG, and maybe even finding some decent depth in the late first and early 2nd rounder through essentially purchasing picks (the Warriors way). There are some possibilities here, but they would rely on George forcing the issue and would probably have to happen before July 1 through back channels.


Spurs - Would be a nice fit for LeBron. Great culture. Great coach. Likely would need a third team and the Spurs would have to move either Aldridge or Kawhi or Pau. Kawhi may commit if LeBron is there and they could move Aldridge as the big salary. Aldridge and Love next to each other would be interesting, though would leave the Cavs with a massive hole. They'd be best to draft a SF like one of the Bridges or Knox if they knew this was coming. Possible and Aldridge could get moved to a third team. I would suspect the Cavs would still prefer a reboot here.


Lakers - They could clear space for two max deals by renouncing Randle, but will they risk it? They also have enough assets that they could swing a couple of trades to make a LBJ, PG, and CP3 team happen, but it would take some work. Is that team built to last and would Magic go for it or would he prefer to be patient - add a single big name and then go from there? I doubt LeBron would go there alone. PG might consider it.

Heat - No cap space and no real way to clear it. Do we want Whiteside for two years or is Whiteside moved to another team? Not as many draft assets, though some interesting younger players that could help. Any trade would be centered around Whiteside in some way. With Dedmon possibly leaving, Whiteside might be of interest to Atlanta depending on who they pick at the top and they have plenty of draft picks lying around this year.
 
Even if Lebron leaves I don’t want to give up. We can still put together an overpaid playoff team. I fully understand Gilbert would not sign off on this but here we go....

Lebron opts into his final year and is traded to Boston for Hayward + Nader + Boston’s 1st this year

George Hill + 8th pick + Boston 1st for Kemba

Match whatever ungodly offer is given to Rodney Hood

Kemba/Clarkson
Hood/JR
Hayward/Osman
Love/Nader
Nance/Big Z/TT

We give up picks and are expensive. But we are going for that 6 seed cuz I’m not ready for it to be over.
 
Even if Lebron leaves I don’t want to give up. We can still put together an overpaid playoff team. I fully understand Gilbert would not sign off on this but here we go....

Lebron opts into his final year and is traded to Boston for Hayward + Nader + Boston’s 1st this year

George Hill + 8th pick + Boston 1st for Kemba

Match whatever ungodly offer is given to Rodney Hood

Kemba/Clarkson
Hood/JR
Hayward/Osman
Love/Nader
Nance/Big Z/TT

We give up picks and are expensive. But we are going for that 6 seed cuz I’m not ready for it to be over.


No thanks. I'm for keeping Hood because I think he can be a decent piece in a rebuild and I doubt he gets a big offer. There's not a lot of cap space this year and a lot of free agents. Good players will go for the MLE and the Bi-Annual.

If LeBron stays, you spend. If not, you want to finish with a top ten draft pick for the next two years and gather young assets and draft picks. If you finish low enough for a top ten pick, Atlanta never gets a first rounder back.
The central problem for the Cavs in past rebuilds and even currently is a lack of identity. What kind of team do we want to be? Pay attention to how Golden State built themselves, establishing an identity first, giving some consistency to their draft process.

You start with the GM, who does like scouting and finding talent. Then you need a coach that can help create identity and culture. I'll argue for Becky Hammon on this front.


If LeBron leaves, you rebuild. You don't look to be a mediocre playoff team that will be out in the first or second round every year. If you want another championship, you have to determine now how you want that team to look and build towards it. Create the culture and acquire those players with the talent and skill to fill the roles needed.
 
I want LJ to stay, but how awesome has the past 4 years been. 4 finals and a ship. I hope LJ lets us know before the draft, so if he does leave we can start the re build.
 
If LBJ leave, resign DION WAITERS to lead the tank!

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Spurs trade:
LeBron opts in

LBJ to Spurs
Gasol, Mills, 2020 2022 1sts. 2023 right to swap picks.

Bucks trade:

Love to Bucks
Delly, Henson, 2021 1st. 2023 right to swap picks.

Obviously we don’t want to keep guys like Gasol around. So additional moves are needed. But if LeBron leaves, we need to liquidate for assets. Our best players need to go to contending teams. And we need their picks in return. Now obviously we don’t want picks soon because these teams are good. We want them when they could be reasoned to be rebuilding.
 
Could get much better for Love IMO
 
Let's lock this up until the worst possible scenario goes down. I can't stand hundred of people panicing over something that might happen, then the trolls feeding off it.
 
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