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Is the NFL in decline?

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Gonna rant again.

I've been back tracking and figuring out where the NFL fucked up.

1993-1995 would be it, correct?

The 28 teams they had playing at crappy "cookie cutters" was at a pretty nice level. I mean sure you had some bad teams like the Colts and Cardinals at the time, but really you had a decent mix of franchises at that point.

In '95?
-Jacksonville was given an expansion franchise. Baltimore is denied one. (Bombers)
-Carolina is given an NFL franchise. St. Louis is denied one. (Stallions)
-The Raiders move back to Oakland
-The Rams move to St. Louis
-The Oilers leave Houston
-And The Browns leave

It almost feels like that the talent pool for the NFL was also diminished as a result of that.
 
Triple-S said:
Gonna rant again.

I've been back tracking and figuring out where the NFL fucked up.

1993-1995 would be it, correct?

The 28 teams they had playing at crappy "cookie cutters" was at a pretty nice level. I mean sure you had some bad teams like the Colts and Cardinals at the time, but really you had a decent mix of franchises at that point.

In '95?
-Jacksonville was given an expansion franchise. Baltimore is denied one. (Bombers)
-Carolina is given an NFL franchise. St. Louis is denied one. (Stallions)
-The Raiders move back to Oakland
-The Rams move to St. Louis
-The Oilers leave Houston
-And The Browns leave

It almost feels like that the talent pool for the NFL was also diminished as a result of that.
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This is the case for all sports. But I think the sport started taking a dive with all the new rules that clearly favor the offense.

And the head shots, I get it, it had to be put in. I'm for people living and not playing a sport that puts their life in jeopardy.

But each year the flags are piling up to new levels, and it's making the game very sloppy. Too many stupid rules. Too many reviews that take too damn long to review.

Worst of all, these refs only do this part time. This isn't their full-time job. Maybe if the NFL hired these guys full time, put it extra seminars to help them out, make some of the rulers more definitive, maybe the games would be better.
 
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godfather said:
This is the case for all sports. But I think the sport started taking a dive with all the new rules that clearly favor the offense.

And the head shots, I get it, it had to be put in. I'm for people living and not playing a sport that puts their life in jeopardy.

But each year the flags are piling up to new levels, and it's making the game very sloppy. Too many stupid rules. Too many reviews that take too damn long to review.

Worst of all, these refs only do this part time. This isn't their full-time job. Maybe if the NFL hired these guys full time, put it extra seminars to help them out, make some of the rulers more definitive, maybe the games would be better.
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Well and LeBron got killed for saying he wanted to kill off quite a few teams in the NBA.

But...I think he was partially right. I think the fear from us and markets like say, Indiana or Detroit was that we'd cease to be if the "MIAMI LEBRON" movement we saw occurring was still a thing. But I think that's no longer the case. There are small market teams that are extremely valuable. The current LeBron would certainly agree.

On the flipside? I question the existence of the Orlando Magic, Memphis Grizzlies or New Orleans Pelicans at times. Especially when Seattle is kinda left without one currently.

Same could be said about various teams within the NHL and MLB. They just seem to exist to just simply exist.

and I do agree. The referring this year had s been absurd.
 
Triple-S said:
Well and LeBron got killed for saying he wanted to kill off quite a few teams in the NBA.

But...I think he was partially right. I think the fear from us and markets like say, Indiana or Detroit was that we'd cease to be if the "MIAMI LEBRON" movement we saw occurring was still a thing. But I think that's no longer the case. There are small market teams that are extremely valuable. The current LeBron would certainly agree.

On the flipside? I question the existence of the Orlando Magic, Memphis Grizzlies or New Orleans Pelicans at times. Especially when Seattle is kinda left without one currently.

Same could be said about various teams within the NHL and MLB. They just seem to exist to just simply exist.

and I do agree. The referring this year had s been absurd.
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I know this thread is about the NFL, but I don't see how you can make this argument about the MLB. Every team in the league has at least 1 playoff appearance since 2010 except for the Mariners ('01), Marlins ('03, Champs), Rockies ('09), and White Sox ('08). Despite the lack of a salary cap, which favors larger market teams, baseball is built to make all teams relevant.
 
D-Wreck said:
I know this thread is about the NFL, but I don't see how you can make this argument about the MLB. Every team in the league has at least 1 playoff appearance since 2010 except for the Mariners ('01), Marlins ('03, Champs), Rockies ('09), and White Sox ('08). Despite the lack of a salary cap, which favors larger market teams, baseball is built to make all teams relevant.
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My intent was to not rip on the MLB (who's product, like the NBA I quite like right now). But rather the fact that there's quite a few franchises that seem to just sort "exist" without any sort of real fanbase to them.

The Marlins, Devil Rays, Diamondbacks would be those sorts of franchises that I'm discussing. Even after winning two world series? I would venture to say that people within Miami are bigger fans of the Yankees, Red Sox or any number of teams than the hometown team. So their existence as a franchise is puzzling.

it's more so a criticism of the "sunbelt" model I saw the "big 4" move towards in the 90's. I think it caused quite a bit harm to their respective sports in quite a few ways.
 
Didn't we already try two LA teams before with failure?

What the hell makes them think it's going to work this time?

No way both teams are still there in 20 years.
 
Rob said:
Didn't we already try two LA teams before with failure?

What the hell makes them think it's going to work this time?

No way both teams are still there in 20 years.
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I don't think the Raiders/Rams Dynamic was a bad thing per say. In the same manner that the Dodgers/Angels, Kings/Ducks work. (may I add, ideally Lakers/Clippers would be in this boat.

You'd have one team that was supposed to represent LA proper (The Raiders) and one team that would be for Orange County (The Rams). The Raiders in fact, had decent support in LA when they were a "thing" in the 80's. I believe they still do to this day.

I think the problem came with the fact that the Coliseum was a massive 93k seat stadium that was aging and it's not exactly in a "great" part of town.

The Rams also were a franchise since what...46 or so? It's really weird that the Browns were so popular that year that they kicked them out of Cleveland pretty much. So I think two teams could have work...could work.

I just don't think it should be the Chargers, who have a good fanbase, and who have been successful in their market for decades.
 
They're going to move to a 30,000 seat stadium and then play in front of terrible crowds at the new stadium and still make bank.


edit: @David. what's the mood of the city?
 
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