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Isaiah Thomas: Butt Nugget

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Should we trade Isaiah Thomas at the trade deadline?

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Anyone kno where I can catch the full E60 interview? I had the wrong time last week and it was on last night but I found it half way through. Can't find it online anywhere.
 
Turk said:
Are you kidding ? Of course he would wanted to be treated like Kyrie because we traded him for Kyrie and statistically he was a better player than Kyrie when the last season ends. I am not even talking about he was in 2nd all nba team and he was in the MVP conversations.

so you expected him to come here and act like he was nobody or a rookie right out of college ? and you wanted him to come off the bench for who ? Calderon or Rose... If you really were expecting that I think you are out of your mind. He had to do that for LA because Boston and Cavs pretty much killed his career together and he is in a desperate situation plus LA has a guy in his position drafted 2nd overall (I believe he is big bust who shoots FT less than%50) so they have to start that guy. But if they want to re-sign IT and I believe they will try, they will have to guarantee a starting spot for him next year.

this whole thing is on Lebron... He should have shown better leadership to integrate IT to the team and this could pay off since we clearly need a second scorer who can create his own shot when Lebron struggles and now this role belongs to Hood or JC and they never played a play-off game. I know everybody in Honeymoon mode after the trades but I believe we are in trouble, I hope I am wrong.

I will not stop saying that because that's I believe; We gave up on IT too early. He is fighter, he can create his own shot and he can feed guys in the paint. We gave up on him because Lebron did not want another leader in the team if it was about performance JR would be the first one to go. And if he decides to leave in the off season we wouldn't have any MVP type player who can lead this team.

PS: I think I should add this: Instead of expressing your opinion you can choose to be loser and click one of the buttons on the lower right like Funny, Disagree etc. So just act like your regular day as a loser. Oh and you can call IT as midget as well that would make you a big man.
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Very well said, coming from the official spokesperson of IT!
He may have played well last season, but HE WAS COMING FROM INJURY! And he will be playing alongside LeBron! So you want him to lead this team.
And please don't put words to my my mouth. I didn't call IT as midget!



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IT with the Lakers:

15.9 PPG, 5.3 APG, 38.3 FG%, 34.8 3PT%, 3.1 TOPG (would be a career high despite only playing 27 MPG), 14.0 PER, 52.9 TS%, 114 DRTG

MVP! MVP! MVP!
 
Stark said:
IT with the Lakers:

15.9 PPG, 5.3 APG, 38.3 FG%, 34.8 3PT%, 3.1 TOPG (would be a career high despite only playing 27 MPG), 14.0 PER, 52.9 TS%, 114 DRTG

MVP! MVP! MVP!
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Hahahaha. Such a massive ego for such an average player. Far better point guards in this league than that midget
 
Turk said:
that is BS
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What is BS? That I said Thomas would flop here? I did; I've been highly skeptical of his game for quite some time, as was much of the Boston media while he was a Celtic. I actually watched the Celtics, my man.. I realized he was a system player bolstered by Brad Stevens.

Stevens used Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, Al Horford and Terry Rozier all in various combinations and lineups to form a fairly good defensive system designed to compensate for as well as to somewhat hide Thomas' defensive flaws. Combined with Jae Crowder, Boston had a very competent defensive system that could withstand the massive defensive liability created by having Isaiah Thomas on the floor. Moreover, Smart, Horford and Rozier were all were two-way facilitators, and Bradley was a competent ball-handler able to create his own shot. In addition, these players were generating ~15.3 APG over considerable minutes; which brings up yet another point: Thomas played only half of his minutes (51%) at the actual point guard position, or carrying point guard duties. For 49% of his possessions, Thomas had either Smart or Rozier running the point with him slotted in at the off-guard and for the bulk of his minutes at the point, Al Horford was on the floor with him creating for others.

Again, Thomas thrived in Stevens' system, and what we're seeing now is a player that Boston effectively designed it's entire offense and defense around, having been removed from that, and placed into the role of a traditional point guard on teams like the Cavs (when LeBron isn't handling the ball) or the Lakers... These are teams not specifically designed to cater to Thomas' strengths while covering for his weaknesses -- and we should have known that prior to the trade, because we lacked the personnel to make such a transition in the first place. Bringing over Jae Crowder, without Smart, without Horford, without Rozier, and frankly, without Brad Stevens, doesn't work.

The Celtics knew what Thomas brought to the table; and that was efficient enough scoring. Almost everything else was a negative, from his personality, to his lack of defense, and his not being an exceptionally gifted floor general or point guard. Thomas' lack of size coupled with his inability to defend any position in the NBA, means that you are absolutely forced to use him as a one-dimensional scorer and part-time facilitator. When he's hitting his three point shot, and drawing fouls, his offensive ability can, at times, compensate for everything else -- especially when your defense is otherwise clicking and you're not worried about the opposing guards attacking Thomas. But when any of those things aren't going as planned, Thomas becomes a liability.

All of this being said leads us to the actual reality of the situation: the Celtics traded Thomas, and Crowder (who was a great fit there, and cheap) and their coveted Brooklyn pick, for Kyrie Irving coming up on free agency after next season. So unless you believe Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens (who surely had some input here) are just insane; then they clearly valued Kyrie Irving, who is frankly a similar player to Thomas, far more highly. Which means they themselves saw through the veneer of padded stats and free throws that wouldn't come in crunch-time in the playoffs; and they knew they had a team already built to compensate for a poor defender at the point. For the Celtics, getting Irving was a coup; as they got out from under Thomas' impending free agency while securing what, for the most part, is a player that at present, represents Thomas' realistic ceiling - while not having entered his prime.

And we haven't even begun to discuss Thomas' injuries... From knocking his teeth out, to breaking his hip; there is some argument that he's just not durable enough, perhaps due to his size, to play in the NBA -- and FWIW, 99% of people aren't.

So for the Celtics, Kyrie would likely be a perfect fit, as he was less injured than Thomas, and an overall better player in almost every respect over the course of their careers; and that's why they made the trade. For us, Thomas was not remotely a good fit; and I think everyone in the league now realizes that except Isaiah Thomas and his small collection of fans.
 
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Turk said:
He had to do that for LA because Boston and Cavs pretty much killed his career together and....
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No. What "killed" his career was the injury to his hip. Now it does sound like Boston was douchy and played him through that injury, but the Cavs did the exact opposite. The truth is that the guy himself still admits he isn't fully healthy, and its pretty obvious to anyone who watches him. Maybe the mistake was on his end in choosing not to have surgery in the off season.

In any case, the hip is IT's biggest problem, and the Cavs bear zero blame for that.
 
it was entirely predictable IT would fail. As Gourimoko says he was always a system player and then you add the hip injury on to that you're talking a below average overall player. Unless we hit really big on the Nets pick we got severely fleeced on the Kyrie trade. We've made some rebound with the new players we picked up, but it's still possible that we have narrowed our championship window with that trade.

I have to say, this is fucked up of me, but part of me hopes Kyrie blows out his knee just so I can let go of my bad feelings about that trade. It was so infuriating on so many levels. I have no idea how anyone could have watched the last few years of Cavs-Celtics playoff series and thought that Isiah was in the same universe as Kyrie.
 
cavsfever said:
it was entirely predictable IT would fail. As Gourimoko says he was always a system player and then you add the hip injury on to that you're talking a below average overall player. We got severely fleeced on the Kyrie trade. We've made some rebound with the new players we picked up, but it's still possible that we have narrowed our championship window with that trade.

I have to say, this is fucked up of me, but part of me hopes Kyrie blows out his knee just so I can let go of my bad feelings about that trade.
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About the Kyrie knee part...

No man, just no.
 
There were signs that Kyries knees were problematic all along weren't there? It's still too soon to say how we made out trade wise. We ultimately got the new squad guys who give us better balance, they'll get better too but will they be durable, time will tell.
The pick still to be determined how it goes, we may do better at five than say two. Got to get it right wherever we land.
We need to keep LBJ. That's the big thing really. With him all things are possible.
 
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