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I'd still love Jamison on this team....I feel so bad for him. Dude is playing 40+ mpg on a Wizards team who has already QUIT on the season. He is playing his fucking heart out and putting his all out there every night, no matter how much he's hurt or tired, no matter how much they're losing, the guy is playing as motivated as someone would on a contender. This is why I want Jamison...we all love Delonte because he never quits...well Jamison is like that. Except Jamison's much better, and I guarantee he'd become one of our leaders from Day 1. I could see him really taking guys like HICKSON (if he's not traded) under his wing and teaching him the ropes. And here, I think we'd give him 22-25 mpg in the reg. season just to rest the guy...he's played a lot of heavy minutes. Hickson would still get some time to develop and once Jamison starts declining in 2 yrs (IMO), Hickson would step in. I think Hickson will develop a jumper over the offseason.

I still want Jamison over Iggy...
 
Last few weeks this guy has left a few games with injuries

This is true. He's getting banged up over there, mostly because he's required to play almost 40 minutes a game for the Wiz. He would in no way be required to put that kind of stress on himself here. Nobody on our team plays 40 minutes on a regular basis. Not even LeBron James.

...on top of that he has a history of injuries and is very old. Sound like a dude you wanna bank on? Sounds like you'd take your chances. Fine. I wouldnt though.

A history of injuries? As far as that team is concerned, he is their iron man. Other than his shoulder injury this year which hasn't flared up since, his games played over the last 9 seasons look like this (most recent to oldest...):

81 79 70 82 68 82 82 82 82


He has played in 96% of his games over the last decade before this year.

I would hardly call the dude "injury-prone". And at that, he certainly doesn't seem to be letting it affect his game considering the numbers he's been putting up this year.
 
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I agree with everyone that he may not necessarily be "injury prone", but you'd have to worry at least a little bit about a guy who is playing all these minutes, and is starting to show signs of wear and tear simply because of the fact that he is 33 years old (I believe). I love Jamison as a player, and he seems like an absolute perfect fit. I am not worried about his injuries in the past as much as I am about the fact that he is 33 and now starting to show it.

Maybe I'm just a worry wart :confused:
 
I agree with everyone that he may not necessarily be "injury prone", but you'd have to worry at least a little bit about a guy who is playing all these minutes, and is starting to show signs of wear and tear simply because of the fact that he is 33 years old (I believe). I love Jamison as a player, and he seems like an absolute perfect fit. I am not worried about his injuries in the past as much as I am about the fact that he is 33 and now starting to show it.

Maybe I'm just a worry wart :confused:

Well on our team he woudn't be playing too many minutes because Av has to get his. Mike Brown wouldn't have it any other way. Shaq will still get 25 min or so at C. Av takes the other 23 and another 10 at PF. That probably means 30 min at most for Jamison at PF. JJ and/or lebron taking the rest. No way Jamison plays close to 40 min on our team.
 
I am not going through all these pages, but I saw something on Real GM that mentioned Lebron is the one really pulling for Jamison... I wonder how much truth there is to that...
 
Good to hear Lebron would love to play with Jamison, but I have a feeling he would feel the same way about AI too. I wonder how much Lebron talks to Ferry on a weekly basis about trade prospects.
Hopefully it's more of a daily basis now, with the deadline right around the corner.

And hopefully LeBron is actually expressing his desire to play with Iggy too. If he slobbers over Jamison and Jamison only, Ferry will be too afraid to stand up to him and make a move for a different player IMO
 
I am not going through all these pages, but I saw something on Real GM that mentioned Lebron is the one really pulling for Jamison... I wonder how much truth there is to that...

I saw that too. I would not read to much into it though. I mean LeBron could have just said "Yeah, I think he would be a good fit" and somebody took it to mean that he is pulling for him.

But who knows, maybe he is pulling hard. I think LeBron would like Jamison or Iggy, anybody who would not want those guys has something wrong with them.


The real question is how does Ferry maximize a trade, and get the best value.
 
This is true. He's getting banged up over there, mostly because he's required to play almost 40 minutes a game for the Wiz. He would in no way be required to put that kind of stress on himself here. Nobody on our team plays 40 minutes on a regular basis. Not even LeBron James.



A history of injuries? As far as that team is concerned, he is their iron man. Other than his shoulder injury this year which hasn't flared up since, his games played over the last 9 seasons look like this (most recent to oldest...):

81 79 70 82 68 82 82 82 82


He has played in 96% of his games over the last decade before this year.

I would hardly call the dude "injury-prone". And at that, he certainly doesn't seem to be letting it affect his game considering the numbers he's been putting up this year.

Well it sounds like he PLAYS with all these injuries. He had shoulder problems, right?

A dude that age playing with all their injuries and now being run into the ground by the Wiz because they are the worst franchise in the NBA is pretty telling.
 
LeBron James is the one driving the team’s pursuit of Jamison

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/19891570?

With a little more than two weeks to go before the Feb. 18 trade deadline, the chatter is starting to pick up. Here’s the latest trade buzz culled from conversations with team executives, agents, and others in the know:

• It’s been well documented that the Cavaliers’ infatuation with Antawn Jamison has been rekindled. What’s been underplayed is the reason behind it: LeBron James is the one driving the team’s pursuit of Jamison, according to a source, and Cavs GM Danny Ferry – as usual – is trying to appease the King. A couple of problems: The Wizards want a young asset in return, and Zydrunas Ilgauskas – while a fit salary-wise – doesn’t fit that description. The sensible piece to include in the deal would be J.J. Hickson, whom the Cavs are reluctant to give up. But if the Cavs got Jamison, what value would Hickson be to them as their fifth big man? One scenario that is believed to be under discussion would have the Cavs hoping the Wizards bought out Ilgauskas after the trade, using some cash added to the deal by Cleveland. That way, the Cavs could sign Ilgauskas back on a minimum deal, giving them the player James covets (Jamison) and a 7-foot-4 insurance policy for Shaquille O’Neal. The Wizards would have to ask themselves if getting out from under Jamison’s contract and adding Hickson is enough to justify a deal that would get them under the tax next summer, but not under the cap.

• If the Cavs can’t get Jamison, Indiana’s Troy Murphy is Plan B. And yes, there’s a Plan C -- Andre Iguodala. Whereas the Cavs’ front office believes Jamison could help them win a championship this year, Iguodala would be more of a long-term solution. And he better be, with four years and $56 million left on his deal.

Rumblings about Ray Allen being on his way out of Boston are accurate, but only if the Celtics can get back a player who’d crack the top eight in their rotation. One scenario that has been discussed would have Allen going to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich and another piece – John Salmons? – to satisfy the salary requirements. If it came to fruition, what an intriguing swap it would be for teams that waged such a thrilling postseason battle only eight months ago. Since Allen’s $19.7 million contract expires after the season, acquiring him would leave Chicago flush with cap space for a 2010 free-agent binge centered around Chicago native Dwyane Wade and an additional superstar.

• One of Allen’s teammates also is generating some interest: Kendrick Perkins, who’d be a perfect fit for a team like the Pistons, who are desperate for a post presence. But Perkins only makes $4.3 million, and it’s difficult to imagine the Celtics parting with him given the way Kevin Garnett is gimping around.

Other than Cleveland, only a handful of teams are active in trade talks and willing to take on money. The others are Dallas, Boston, Portland and potentially Denver, which could get ownership approval for a big enough name – though no such possibility is imminent. The Nuggets are steadfastly refusing to include J.R. Smith in any deal, and their quest for a big man will have to go in a different direction with Indiana’s Jeff Foster likely out for the year with back issues.

• The Mavs, behind big spender Mark Cuban, are always buyers at the deadline. Nothing has changed this year, with the Mavs said to be targeting help at shooting guard in a deal that would likely include Josh Howard and Erick Dampier.

The Blazers’ interest in Wizards center Brendan Haywood is understandable, considering the catastrophic injuries to Greg Oden and Joel Pryzbilla. But an expiring contract – such as the one belonging to Travis Outlaw – won’t be enough to pique Washington’s interest. As with Jamison, the Wizards want useful assets in return. In this case, sources say, Washington has asked for Rudy Fernandez and has been strongly rebuffed. Consider those talks stalled for now, but don’t discount a revival before Feb. 18 for these reasons: 1) The Blazers’ desperate need for a big man, and 2) Their ability to get ownership approval to take on money in the right deal.

• Miami also has expressed interest in Haywood, but sources say that would require taking on money in the deal – something Heat president Pat Riley has been unwilling to entertain.

• There are differing opinions in Utah as to what strategy to pursue with Carlos Boozer. Ownership wants to trade him to avoid paying luxury tax. Coach Jerry Sloan wants to keep him because he thinks the Jazz can make playoff noise. All in all, the Jazz might be better off keeping him because their payroll will be roughly $58 million – under the projected tax line – after his $12.7 million salary comes off the books this summer. But don’t discount a solution that would solve both problems: Trading Boozer to the Pistons, who have long coveted him, for Tayshaun Prince. Such a swap would give the Jazz a playoff-tested defender with length and all but get them out of the luxury tax for this season. Prince would be on the books for $9 million next season, but he’d be easy to trade because of his expiring contract. Plus, the difference between owing and receiving luxury tax money this season would be roughly a $7 million swing.

• Tracy McGrady’s level of availability – as in, very available – far exceeds the seriousness of the offers Houston has received, sources say. “A lot of talk,” is how one person in contact with Rockets officials characterized the status of the Free T-Mac campaign. Ditto for Amar’e Stoudemire in Phoenix.

While there are only a few select buyers in the trade market, there are about two dozen sellers – but none more serious than the Sixers. Philadelphia is said to be open to trading anyone and everyone, and the conversations always start with the guys with the most money committed to them: Elton Brand, Samuel Dalembert, and Iguodala. Good luck.

• On an unrelated note, former Knick John Starks attracted a star-studded crowd in New York City Tuesday night for a celebrity bowling tournament benefiting the John Starks Foundation, which provides college scholarships for kids in the New York City area and Starks’ native Tulsa, Okla. Hall of Famer Earl Monroe, actor Matthew Modine, and Knicks forward Al Harrington were among the headliners.
 
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I'm glad to hear about LeBron and I still think Jamison is a perfect fit here. I HATE what the Wizards are doing with him right now - Flip is out of his minds playing a guy like this 40+ minutes every single night. I understand he's the player you probably trust the most, but at his age there is no excuse to be playing him like that night in and night out.

I think if he comes to the Cavs, they will limit his minutes significantly to get him a lot of rest so he can heal the wounds he's picked up lately. He definitely has a solid few years left in him, and being on a team that won't need him to play more than 30 minutes a game, nor be the 1st or 2nd option, is only going to make him so much better.

I can't argue anyone who wants Iggy, I want him as well and he's great for the long run. But Jamison is still an option I don't think you can turn your back on regardless. If Ferry can figure out a way to get Iggy, so be it and I will definitely be excited as all hell to welcome him here. But I just hope he still has the Wizards on the phone and listening to the Jamison situation - because he would be a tremendous help to this team in crunch time when we have a player that LeBron can rely on.

The fact that LeBron is campaigning to get Jamison seems to make that clear, he's doing it because he trusts Jamison would be valuable here in Cleveland and a guy that puts us in position as the favorites to win it all.
 
Well it sounds like he PLAYS with all these injuries. He had shoulder problems, right?

A dude that age playing with all their injuries and now being run into the ground by the Wiz because they are the worst franchise in the NBA is pretty telling.

Everyone plays with injuries. Do you think Lebron is 100% healthy at this point? You get bruises and sorness and fatigued during the season. Jamison is playing a heavy load, no question. If we do end up trading for him I do not think his heavy minutes during the 1st half of the season is going to be much of a factor at all come April.
 
I agree with everyone that he may not necessarily be "injury prone", but you'd have to worry at least a little bit about a guy who is playing all these minutes, and is starting to show signs of wear and tear simply because of the fact that he is 33 years old (I believe). I love Jamison as a player, and he seems like an absolute perfect fit. I am not worried about his injuries in the past as much as I am about the fact that he is 33 and now starting to show it.

Maybe I'm just a worry wart :confused:
I'd offer that what we've witnessed from Jamison the past couple of weeks may more likely be mental fatigue rather than physical fatigue. Having to go out and give his all every night playing on a horrible team that has no chance of winning may gradually be taking its toll. Not to mention his dysfunctional franchise, dangling the keys to the asylum in front of him with the possibility of a trade to the title contending Cavs, who ultimately may choose not let him go free.
 
Everyone plays with injuries. Do you think Lebron is 100% healthy at this point? You get bruises and sorness and fatigued during the season. Jamison is playing a heavy load, no question. If we do end up trading for him I do not think his heavy minutes during the 1st half of the season is going to be much of a factor at all come April.

Ok..."serious injuries", and a guy who is 10 years older than LBJ. I'd prefer a much younger guy like Iguodala, but the Cavs seem infatuated with Jamison and now I see why: LeBron has said that is who he wants. What LeBron wants, LeBron gets.
 
Ok..."serious injuries", and a guy who is 10 years older than LBJ. I'd prefer a much younger guy like Iguodala, but the Cavs seem infatuated with Jamison and now I see why: LeBron has said that is who he wants. What LeBron wants, LeBron gets.

Of all the concerns about adding Jamison, and I admit I agree with some of the concerns, the "injury prone" concern is the silliest.

The guy is an iron man. Like someone pointed out, he's played 96% of his games!!!

One day I would love to go to a cavs site where I didn't have to read the phrases "injury prone" or "another Larry Hughes" 10 times a day around the deadline :chuckles:
 
http://www.cleveland.com/podcast_files/windhorst020310.mp3

Not sure if someone posted this link before but this is today's podcast from cleveland.com with Windhorst. He touches on everything from every trade scenario. Jamison, Iguodala, Troy Murphy, etc... It is really good and I'd guess, around 30-35mins ling so it is worth listening to.


This was my post from the Iguodala thread that mentions the stuff he touches on:

If you listen to the podcast about 10-15 mins in, Windhorst says that the Iguodala trade is probably less than 50-50, stating that "It isnt the Cavaliers, its what the 76ers want. They called the Cavs and said we want A, B, and C. Its on the Cavs now to see if they feel like the remaining $56 million is worth taking on."

Also, he states that when Z didnt play in the first half of a game earlier in the season (I feel like it may have been one of the Raptors games but if someone could help out here I'd appreciate it) he responded very negatively and that they are now scared to trade him because they arent sure if he will sign back after the "tantrum" for lack of a better word, that happened. So he said that they wont trade him unless they are 1000% sure (yep 1000%) that he'd sign back.

He touches on very briefly that the Cavs do NOT trust the Wizards at all and are trying to figure out a way to get him without going through Washington.

AND to whoever says that the Cavs play better WITHOUT Mo Williams, BW has one word for you..."Nonsense."
 
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