John Wall

[gourimoko]

Flavor of the month?

Irving is the superior talent, and always has been..

Stephen Curry is probably the only young point guard that is clearly better than Irving at this stage in his career - but I suspect that will change when Irving either gets a better coach or leaves Cleveland. Whichever happens, I hope he gets into a system that works for him as I very much enjoy watching him play. The things he does on the court are just unreal.

 

[Cashius X]

Led his team to a 15 game turnaround. From 29-53 to 44-38. Wow...

Elite PG. Definitely has a really bright future. Hopefully our team has a similar turnaround next season.

 

[PIP]

Irving is not a superior talent. Maybe a superior shooter and ball handler-- but that's where it ends IMO.

 

[Tornicade]

Rk	Player	Age	G	MP
1	Martell Webster	26	76	2200
2	Emeka Okafor	30	79	2052
3	Bradley Beal	19	56	1745
4	Kevin Seraphin	23	79	1721
5	Nene Hilario	30	61	1659
6	John Wall	22	49	1602
7	Trevor Ariza	27	56	1471

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	Player	AGE	G	MP
1	John Wall	23	82	2980
2	Trevor Ariza	28	77	2723
3	Marcin Gortat	29	81	2655
4	Bradley Beal	20	73	2530
5	Martell Webster	27	78	2157
6	Nene Hilario	31	53	1560
7	Trevor Booker	26	72	1553

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let not pretend that Washington's sole reason for their turnaround was John Wall. Just look at the minutes. martell webster playing about the same amount of minutes went from 1st to 5th in total minutes.

Minutes going to Emako Okafor and Kevin Seraphin are now going to Marcin Gortat and Trevor Booker.

They also went 18-10 after muddling around 500 once Andre Miller was added tot he cast.

Washington had the 5th rated defense last season alongside a 30th ranked offense. Ariza and Gortat should be getting just as much credit as Wall for that offensive turnaround. with a nominal drop in defense.

 

[randymoss1881]

Let the Wall hate begin

 

[Tornicade]

Let the Wall hate begin

its not hating on wall its giving credit to the Wizards for acquiring Gortat. having a healthy Ariza, Nene and acquiring Andre Miller.

These guys are all contributing playoff vets who know how to win. they have very much to do with the Wizards turnaround.

 

[Cashius X]

its not hating on wall its giving credit to the Wizards for acquiring Gortat. having a healthy Ariza, Nene and acquiring Andre Miller.

These guys are all contributing playoff vets who know how to win. they have very much to do with the Wizards turnaround.

Not as much as a healthy Wall. How you could say that these vets have a similar impact as John is beyond me. It's subjective after all but still. When John Wall came back last season from injury he led the Wizards to a .500 record in a pretty large sample size. Something like 40+ games. Give credit where it's really due. He elevates that team.

And also the Wizards were doing just fine before they acquired Andre Miller this season if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Tornicade]

Not as much as a healthy Wall. How you could say that these vets have a similar impact as John is beyond me. It's subjective after all but still. When John Wall came back last season from injury he led the Wizards to a .500 record in a pretty large sample size. Something like 40+ games. Give credit where it's really due. He elevates that team.

And also the Wizards were doing just fine before they acquired Andre Miller this season if I'm not mistaken.

They were below 500 ball. you want to minimize the impact of veterans thats all on you. What has Wall done differently this year besides improving his 3 point shot? the team shot 43% last season and now are shooting 46% . 3 point wise they went from 36% to 38 %. they have 3 guys shooting over 39%.

Gortat is creating a presence on the inside and is shooting effeciently. bring in booker or hilario or even serapin and you have a significant inside presence that has to be accounted for. this opens up the perimeter to making more wide open shots. it also allows wall to set up for the three as well.

Wall and beal cant be left open this brings us to Webster and Ariza.

it gives ya balance and allows you to go from 93 points of game to 100 while maintaining the same pace.

Wall is learning how to win but he is now surrounded by guys who know how to win.

As far as last season, you mean the wizards were better starting Wall than AJ Price or Garret Temple. OMG stop the presses.

lets not forget the Wizards went 5-3 in their last 8 games without wall including wins over OKC, Atlanta, Denver, Portland.

 

[Cashius X]

They were below 500 ball. you want to minimize the impact of veterans thats all on you. What has Wall done differently this year besides improving his 3 point shot? the team shot 43% last season and now are shooting 46% . 3 point wise they went from 36% to 38 %. they have 3 guys shooting over 39%.

Gortat is creating a presence on the inside and is shooting effeciently. bring in booker or hilario or even serapin and you have a significant inside presence that has to be accounted for. this opens up the perimeter to making more wide open shots. it also allows wall to set up for the three as well.

Wall and beal cant be left open this brings us to Webster and Ariza.

it gives ya balance and allows you to go from 93 points of game to 100 while maintaining the same pace.

Wall is learning how to win but he is now surrounded by guys who know how to win.

As far as last season, you mean the wizards were better starting Wall than AJ Price or Garret Temple. OMG stop the presses.

lets not forget the Wizards went 5-3 in their last 8 games without wall including wins over OKC, Atlanta, Denver, Portland.

Torn, they were 26-29 prior to the Miller trade. You're acting like they were some shit before the trade when in reality that's just not true. They started out the season very slow and then got better as the season progressed (something young teams tend to do). You can attribute their record to their "veterans" all you want but the credit, most of it anyway, should go to John Wall and his continued development. After he returned from injury last year he carried a worse supporting cast to an almost .500 record (in games he was active they were 24-25 or something along those lines). It's not the veterans that carried the Wizards to their 44-38 record, it was just John Wall being healthy.

The turnaround we saw out of the Wizards this year was just a result of John Wall being healthy. He makes those around him better.

And as far as what has Wall done differently this year? Shit, idk but why does it matter? Their record for the 2012-2013 season wasn't indicative of the talent on that roster. It was flawed because their best player (Wall) was hurt. I've said it 1000 times but he showed last year he could carry a team to a .500 record in a large sample size. This year he did just the same and then some as a result of having a better roster.

And when were they 5-3 in their last 8 games without Wall? He played every single game this year. Don't tell me you're going back to last season...:thumbdown: Just what does that prove? To start last season they were way below .500 so what does an 8 game sample size of above .500 ball prove?

 

[CardiacCavs]

I'm just really impressed that Wall played all 82 games. You don't see that very often, especially from players who are as athletic and play that kind of style as much as he does.

 

[Tornicade]

Torn, they were 26-29 prior to the Miller trade. You're acting like they were some shit before the trade when in reality that's just not true. They started out the season very slow and then got better as the season progressed (something young teams tend to do). You can attribute their record to their "veterans" all you want but the credit, most of it anyway, should go to John Wall and his continued development. After he returned from injury last year he carried a worse supporting cast to an almost .500 record (in games he was active they were 24-25 or something along those lines). It's not the veterans that carried the Wizards to their 44-38 record, it was just John Wall being healthy.

The turnaround we saw out of the Wizards this year was just a result of John Wall being healthy. He makes those around him better.

And as far as what has Wall done differently this year? Shit, idk but why does it matter? Their record for the 2012-2013 season wasn't indicative of the talent on that roster. It was flawed because their best player (Wall) was hurt. I've said it 1000 times but he showed last year he could carry a team to a .500 record in a large sample size. This year he did just the same and then some as a result of having a better roster.

And when were they 5-3 in their last 8 games without Wall? He played every single game this year. Don't tell me you're going back to last season...:thumbdown: Just what does that prove? To start last season they were way below .500 so what does an 8 game sample size of above .500 ball prove?

you want to think that healthy Nene.Ariza and Gortat had nothing to with the Wizards success this season. and bringing in a veteran point guard with something to prove was of minimal impact fine go ahead and do that. that would be your mistake. Dont m get me wrong Walla is a solid point guard and he may at some point be a guy who can carry a team. he isnt there yet. the Undervaluing of experience and proven veterans over the impact of young budding talent never ceases to amaze me. Even larry bird was hand into the playoffs before he was ready to lead.

yes maybe wall will be that huge impact player after he gets a playoff series under his belt and young guys such as porter etc start takng on a bigger load.

Right now though Andre miller can step in that starting point guard position and devastate teams with that backcourt.. why? ive seen him do it and he might not be able to do it 36 minutes a night like he used to but he can give ya 20 to 30.


Beal and Wall are still learning how to win.

anyways your talking in circles . you make a bunch of references to last season when he returned and how great their record was then try to admonoish me for doing the same.

Basketball is still a team game and Wizards are built as a team with no superstars. maybe wall mught become one but he isnt there yet.


the team is set up to allow Wall to be succesful.

 

[marxus]

John Wall's big breakout year was still not as good as Kyrie's down year.

 

[#21]

John Wall's big breakout year was still not as good as Kyrie's down year.

At least Wall's in the postseason, and Kyrie is not. Stats don't mean shit.

 

[PIP]

But let's not act like if the Cavs signed these vets and improved to 46 wins you're not the same people that will praise Kyrie non stop and refer to him as the best young pg in the league ? Probably wouldn't appreciate outsiders suggesting it's the vets and not Kyrie's leadership and growth.

Wall's evolution as an overall great young PG is pretty prominent...

 

[Cashius X]

John Wall's big breakout year was still not as good as Kyrie's down year.

I disagree. I don't think Kyrie has ever had a season as good as the one John Wall just put in.