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I would too, but I don’t think Minnesota would. While they’re considering moving Wiggins, I don’t think they’re quite that desperate to do so.
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Feels like unless they are blown away with a lopsided trade in their favor, the Cavs would just hold on to JR and waive him... The 5 million price tag to take KPJ must be their spending spree for the offseason, more prudent than taking more bad contracts longterm and gives them a chance to pay less salary cap taxes...
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I think you could possibly get a single heavily protected 1st for Wiggins but (2) lightly protected 1sts would absolutely floor me.
Wiggins is overpaid but he's young and can soak up minutes. He's only under contract through 27 years old.....so assuming he is healthy, he's still a competent but overpaid player. You usually do not get a ton back for guys like that, even if they are overpaid. If he were 29, sure but not for someone who is 23, who isn't a total disaster off the court.
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I'm wrestling with the pick compensation. he definitely needs to come with a 1st round pick. Not clear on he protections but it needs to be just Wiggins and a 1st. Hopefully something like top 4 protected. I might consider it.
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Wiggins is not good. I don't think he'll ever be good. The contract is awful. They don't have enough picks for me to take him.
While the contract numbers look similar to Love's, Kevin at least provides positive value to the team.
No thanks.
I'd rather cut JR and save the $.
While the contract numbers look similar to Love's, Kevin at least provides positive value to the team.
No thanks.
I'd rather cut JR and save the $.
Given they were able to get a 3rd 1st rounder and take a lottery level talent with it in Kevin Porter Jr.
lessens the need to do more than get rid of Smith and stay out of the tax.
Getting something for him at this point would have to be something like the contract of a just drafted player but most teams that would deal for Smith didn't take players worth absorbing a bad deal besides maybe Okeke in Orlando who will redshirt next season. But possible a future protected 1st could be worth it if the player coming back is actually serviceable unlike most of these offers.
lessens the need to do more than get rid of Smith and stay out of the tax.
Getting something for him at this point would have to be something like the contract of a just drafted player but most teams that would deal for Smith didn't take players worth absorbing a bad deal besides maybe Okeke in Orlando who will redshirt next season. But possible a future protected 1st could be worth it if the player coming back is actually serviceable unlike most of these offers.
Is it supposed to be a good thing that Wiggins can "soak up minutes"? He's a guy who should be playing 15-20 minutes per game off the bench, but will pout if he's not starting and taking 15+ shots per game. I'd be more inclined to trade for him if we had a plan to keep him off the court and away from the team.
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I'm not ready to completely give up on Wiggins. We know that he's a talented player. He just hasn't put it all together. Of course he's a huge risk but that's why we put this coaching staff together. Player development.If Wiggins can turn himself into a 20 PPG scorer who's a little more efficient then his contract doesn't look as albatross.
Even if he did have that potential, which I don't think he does...how do you propose to develop him, Garland, and Sexton (three ball-dominant volume scorers) in parallel? Who's supposed to be the "leader" out of those three guys? Seems like a team that would self-destruct on the court and in the locker room 9 times out of 10.
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The issue with Wiggins is that he’s 5 years in and he has one of the lowest basketball IQ’s I’ve ever seen.
He has all the tools to be a good NBA defender—he might even be the best athlete in the NBA—yet he’s terrible.
This is due to complete lack of awareness over effort, and it’s also due to his lack of desire to be physical.
He does the same thing on the offensive end. He’s gifted as an athlete, but he continues to settle for contested two’s and threes despite being able to elevate and finish at the rim.
He just doesn’t know how to play basketball. He shoots something obscene like 25-30% on midrange jumpers, yet it remains a staple of his game.
Due to the required physicality of it, he also essentially refuses to crash the glass. He’s one of the worst rebounding forwards in the NBA.
He’s basically the Jordan’s Clarkson of wings.
He can get you points inefficiently, but not much else.
That’s the problem. He’s no rookie. This is who he is.
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Well for one Garland will be the leader. Darius Garland will be the leader of this team I believe. I think the FO believes that too. I also don't view Sexton in a role more than a 6th man. I think the plan with Wiggins would be to use him where he is most effective and to limit how much he is exposed in MIN. So a 2nd or 3rd scoring option who we don't ask to do too much. He needs to be coached up and he needs a coach who will put him where he can succeed. He should be more like Khris Middleton than DeMarr Derozan.
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Totally agree.
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Wiggins certainly has the talent & potential to be an All Star every year. Sometimes when players get handed big contracts, based on their potential, they lose their motivation to continue working on their game and improving. I don’t know if that’s the case with Wiggins, but he certainly seems to be stagnant in his development.
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I'm quoting your post because it is the most recent example I've seen of this thinking. That said -- I want to be clear that many others have expressed this same thought, and I am not picking on you specifically.
With that out of the way, I have to say that the "Cavs got KPJ, so they don't have to use the JR contract" line of thinking makes zero sense to me. It's not either-or. It should be both. Let's use every asset at our disposal to build the best team possible. If we happen to get a break, then it means that "the best team possible" just got better ... not that we can slack off.
Sure, it's great that the Cavs got a nice surprise by being able to trade some spare second rounders and then take KPJ at the end of the first round ... but that doesn't excuse them for letting the JR contract (which is a nice asset) expire without being used. I get that they want to avoid the luxury tax for next season, but they have 10 months to make other moves before the tax is determined.
Atlanta recently got two first-round picks for taking Allen Crabbe off the Nets' hands. If the Cavs can't get a return approaching that (and I would bet they can, especially as free agency nears and teams are panicking to create cap space), and just let JR go instead, then they've failed.