Kawhi ?

[Cavatt]

A highly favorable (and unlikely) summer would be adding George (opt-in) for Cedi+Nance+Hill; and trading the pick+salary for Kemba+Howard+MKG+Williams in a trade with the Hornets, and keeping Love at the same time.

Kemba/George/James/Love/Howard

We'd likely still have Calderon, Korver, Hood (??), Green, MKG, Williams and Zizic.

There's so many unlikely things that would need to happen for this to work, but .. yeah, to me, this is one of the most favorable yet still remotely possible outcomes for the Cavs outside of getting Kawhi for peanuts.

Suffice to say, I think the Cavs should target Kemba and George this off-season, and I would not mind taking back Dwight Howard. If we can get both of those guys while keeping Love, then I think that puts us back into contention.

Do you think that Haul gets us on the same level as GS? I just don't see it.

 

[Walter White]

Do you think that Haul gets us on the same level as GS? I just don't see it.

Well, that dang sure puts us in a much better position to win. Not a fan of Dwight unless it helps us get Kemba easier. I definitely wouldn't give up extra assets if Charlotte views him that way.

But I like the lineup. Love doesn't have to play center. It's good defensively top to bottom. It has creators that can get their own shots. That's what we need. A lot depends on the value of Kemba and PG13. Either way, we should try to acquire 2 star talents that have lowered value regardless of who it is.

 

[gourimoko]

Do you think that Haul gets us on the same level as GS? I just don't see it.

Same level? Fuck no...

But it puts us in the conversation...

I think the Cavs could win a series like that, maybe even in 6 games... but it could just as easily go the other way... We wouldn't be evenly matched per se, but we'd have an angle/vector of attack.

We'd also be one of the most versatile teams in the NBA... Consider a lineup of:

Player / 3P%
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Kemba (38.4%)
George (40.1%)
James (irrelevant)
Williams (41.3%)
Love (41.5%)

Think about that kind of spacing, and then consider you have 3 guys on the floor who can isolate, dribble, and create for themselves or others (not counting Kevin Love). Defenses absolutely cannot double-team anyone in a line-up like this.

S it's difficult to envision how a team defends a lineup like that with LeBron James having so much room to operate, including off the ball with Kemba AND George both capable of point duties. Defensively, we're not great on the interior, but, on the perimeter, you've got 3 plus-defenders at their position and all three are good PnR defenders as well.

From a defensive standpoint, you could roll out:

Kemba / MKG / George / James / Howard

Offensively, you'd still have two very good three point shooters flanking James, and both can create off the dribble, so the PnR game would very difficult to defend..

Defensively, this is a solid 5-man rotation from the top to the bottom and one that allows James to play the defensive free safety role that he enjoys and excels at... This would also mean we'd have true rim protection which is something we've not had on this team in recent memory. James and George can also switch duty at the SF/PF position to keep each other fresh in case of matchup issues.

So taking this lineup, you could matchup against Golden State as follows:

MKG <-> Steph
Kemba <-> Klay
George <-> Durant
James <-> Green
Howard <-> McGee

We're still at a significant talent deficit but, defensively, we should be able to guard the Warriors sufficiently to prevent the parade to the rim vs the field day behind the line. We'd also have a massive advantage with respect to athleticism and rebounding...

So yeah, given how dynamic our roster would be given this kind of trade; while we wouldn't be in the same league as them offensively; we'd definitely be a better matchup for them defensively.

I think that's the only way a team like that can be beaten unless you have two or three guys that can just score at will, in isolation, and against DPOY-level defenders (like Kyrie, LeBron)... Kawhi comes to mind, but, if that's not possible then I think this is at least within the realm of possibility even remote possibility.

 

[Walter White]

If Kawhi does get traded, I wonder what kind of haul they can really get for him and if he can really dictate where he wants to go? Are teams going to give up a bunch of assets for someone they can sign in a year? And what does he really want other than the max contract, to be in a more marketable city or to be part of a contender?

Like Celtics could put together a good offer, but does Kawhi want to share the ball with Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum, etc? Possibly, but if Celtics want to groom Tatum then why do they need Kawhi? It could still be a very attractive situation. But in Cleveland, Kawhi would be the 2nd option with the plan of taking over the 1st option. And he could be the 1st scoring option right away if he wanted because LBJ will dish him the ball.

Or maybe he is committed to signing with someone like the Lakers. Depends on what he wants.

 

[Chris]

I think that trade idea is nice, but obviously unlikely. We'd be much more talented. Not on the Warriors level, but definitely in the ballpark and it wouldn't be a gigantic talent deficit the size of the Grand Canyon anymore like it is now. We would be able to win the series for sure.

 

[gourimoko]

Imagine if we did move up in the lottery to the #1 pick....

Would you trade it for Kawhi Leonard if he promised to re-sign with the Cavs for 4 years?

 

[The Red Viper]

Imagine if we did move up in the lottery to the #1 pick....

Would you trade it for Kawhi Leonard if he promised to re-sign with the Cavs for 4 years?

I think, yes.

My initial reaction was, YES, No Brainer.

But then, I am genuinely worried about Kawhi's injury.

After getting burnt by IT, I don't know if we can handle another key piece being damaged.

Though, our doctors were very wary of IT. So, that is there.

 

[Walter White]

Imagine if we did move up in the lottery to the #1 pick....

Would you trade it for Kawhi Leonard if he promised to re-sign with the Cavs for 4 years?

I would do it if our doctors think Kawhi is good and it guarantees LBJ to sign a max contract with us.

But I'd love it if we can keep our draft pick and still pull a star player like Kawhi, or PG13. It would still be worth it, but that's a lot to give up for a disgruntled player coming off an injury. I guess we would still get to keep Love, but still. This is likely our only chance to land a lottery pick until LBJ retires. At the same time, we can't wait long for a player to develop, so I say go for it. We have seen some highly developed players that are rookies recently, but it's hit or miss and it isn't worth the risk if you can get someone like Kawhi.

I just want to be greedy and keep both or make some sort of bigger move like you proposed that will give us a better shot against GSW. Imagine if we could pull both Kawhi and PG13 with LBJ.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Imagine if we did move up in the lottery to the #1 pick....

Would you trade it for Kawhi Leonard if he promised to re-sign with the Cavs for 4 years?

I'd first offer it to NO for Anthony Davis.

#1, Future 1st, Cedi, Zizic, Moondog.

If they said no, then I'd offer it (above) to Golden State for Durant.

Then I would call San Antonio and offer #1 and filler for Kawhi.

I think there's a lot of players that could potentially be available for the #1 pick.....but I'd start with Davis and move down the ladder.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

As long as his health checks out, I'm trading #1 and filler for Kawhi 100% of the time. The Hill, Korver, Kawhi, James, Love lineup would just decimate teams offensively.

 

[Ozcavs89]

Lebron and kawhi would decimate teams alone..we need to go all in whilst lebron is still the player he is. Gs have looked more vulnerable this year than they have in recent years, plus injuries are starting to creep back in for curry

 

[Randolphkeys]

This is the appropriate thread for talking about a Kawhi fantasy trade scenario. I've been hearing from Marcus Thompson - who isn't exactly Bible truth but he is plugged in - that San Antonio is throwing Kawhi the designated veteran contract, or Super Max.

2019–2020 NBA Salary Cap Projection: $108,000,000

Year 1–2019–2020
$108,000,000 * (.35) = $37,800,000

Year 2–2020–2021
$37,800,000 * (1.08) = $40,824,000

Year 3–2021–2022
$40,824,000 * (1.16) = $43,848,000

Year 4–2022–2023

$43,848,000 * (1.24) = $46,872,000

Year 5–2023–2024
$46,872,000 * (1.32) = $49,896,000​

Nothing like multi-millions to change your mind.

In total, Kawhi could sign a 5 year/$219,240,000 contract with the San Antonio Spurs in the summer of 2018.

 

[TyGuy]

This is the appropriate thread for talking about a Kawhi fantasy trade scenario. I've been hearing from Marcus Thompson - who isn't exactly Bible truth but he is plugged in - that San Antonio is throwing Kawhi the designated veteran contract, or Super Max.

2019–2020 NBA Salary Cap Projection: $108,000,000

Year 1–2019–2020
$108,000,000 * (.35) = $37,800,000

Year 2–2020–2021
$37,800,000 * (1.08) = $40,824,000

Year 3–2021–2022
$40,824,000 * (1.16) = $43,848,000

Year 4–2022–2023

$43,848,000 * (1.24) = $46,872,000

Year 5–2023–2024
$46,872,000 * (1.32) = $49,896,000​

Nothing like multi-millions to change your mind.

In total, Kawhi could sign a 5 year/$219,240,000 contract with the San Antonio Spurs in the summer of 2018.

Yeah it's over. Money cures a lot of ill will.

 

[gourimoko]

This is the appropriate thread for talking about a Kawhi fantasy trade scenario. I've been hearing from Marcus Thompson - who isn't exactly Bible truth but he is plugged in - that San Antonio is throwing Kawhi the designated veteran contract, or Super Max.

2019–2020 NBA Salary Cap Projection: $108,000,000

Year 1–2019–2020
$108,000,000 * (.35) = $37,800,000

Year 2–2020–2021
$37,800,000 * (1.08) = $40,824,000

Year 3–2021–2022
$40,824,000 * (1.16) = $43,848,000

Year 4–2022–2023

$43,848,000 * (1.24) = $46,872,000

Year 5–2023–2024
$46,872,000 * (1.32) = $49,896,000​

Nothing like multi-millions to change your mind.

In total, Kawhi could sign a 5 year/$219,240,000 contract with the San Antonio Spurs in the summer of 2018.

But I'm not sure how this changes things? Kawhi already knew this as he became eligible last season, as did the Spurs. He became eligible for the DPE once he made the All-NBA team last spring..

 

[czvo]

Get this man here by any means necessary? Yes. Yes, please.