Kawhi ?

[bigfoot5415]

Eh, Davis is in the same category as Westbrook for me. Massive box score totals year in and year out, but I'm not at all convinced he's a top-5 player in terms of actually winning basketball games. Great opportunity for both of those guys to change my mind this postseason, but I'm not holding my breath.

There are huge differences between the two. Davis is a forward & needs someone competent to get him the ball and play off of him (Rondo & a healthy Jrue). He goes as the players around him go. If he gets doubled & tripled, his teammates need to be able to create shots and knock down shots. Davis has always made winning plays when healthy.

Westbrook is the embodiment of an athlete playing basketball. He puts up stats and it really isn't that conducive to winning. If some one said I was putting together a team with Steven Adams, Carmelo Anthony as the 3rd option, Paul George as the second option & a point guard that is going to average a triple double....you would think that team should have 60+ wins and murdering teams. Instead teams tempt Westbrook to try taking over the game, take the bad shots & commit the turnovers we all know are going to happen. You put Rajon Rondo's BBIQ in Westbrook's body and you have Oscar Robertson on steroids.

I said it years ago, but Westbrook is the #2 reason (Behind Clay Bennett) that Durant was going to leave no matter what.

 

[Nathan S]

There are huge differences between the two. Davis is a forward & needs someone competent to get him the ball and play off of him (Rondo & a healthy Jrue). He goes as the players around him go. If he gets doubled & tripled, his teammates need to be able to create shots and knock down shots. Davis has always made winning plays when healthy.

Westbrook is the embodiment of an athlete playing basketball. He puts up stats and it really isn't that conducive to winning. If some one said I was putting together a team with Steven Adams, Carmelo Anthony as the 3rd option, Paul George as the second option & a point guard that is going to average a triple double....you would think that team should have 60+ wins and murdering teams. Instead teams tempt Westbrook to try taking over the game, take the bad shots & commit the turnovers we all know are going to happen. You put Rajon Rondo's BBIQ in Westbrook's body and you have Oscar Robertson on steroids.

I said it years ago, but Westbrook is the #2 reason (Behind Clay Bennett) that Durant was going to leave no matter what.

I'm on board with Davis>Westbrook. The similarity I'm pointing out is that both guys are always in the MVP discussion because of the big numbers they put up (and Westbrook actually won it last year, which was insane) and people find reasons to turn a blind eye to the lack of team success. Guys like LeBron, Kawhi, Curry, and Harden, in contrast, really seem to transform their teams into death machines whenever they're on the court, almost regardless of what players you put around them.

 

[bigfoot5415]

I'm on board with Davis>Westbrook. The similarity I'm pointing out is that both guys are always in the MVP discussion because of the big numbers they put up (and Westbrook actually won it last year, which was insane) and people find reasons to turn a blind eye to the lack of team success. Guys like LeBron, Kawhi, Curry, and Harden, in contrast, really seem to transform their teams into death machines whenever they're on the court, almost regardless of what players you put around them.

Thats fair. I see where you are coming from. I guess, in my opinion, its harder to see that type impact from a big because you are still relying on someone else to run the team offensively.

 

[Certo17]

http://amicohoops.net/nba-rumors-ka...-cavaliers-san-antonio-spurs-nba-free-agency/

Interesting..

 

[Real Deal]

Anybody wondering how Kawhi is feeling about his teammates getting shit on? As the blowout slowly ends, and Harlan says 'It's gotta be tough, it's tough' and the camera pans in on the Spurs bench shaking their heads and lost their confidence, stripped from their dignity, and just beaten.

It's gotta be fuck you from both sides now. I'd be shocked if Kawhi even returns to San Antonio to clean out his locker at this point.

 

[czvo]

Anybody wondering how Kawhi is feeling about his teammates getting shit on? As the blowout slowly ends, and Harlan says 'It's gotta be tough, it's tough' and the camera pans in on the Spurs bench shaking their heads and lost their confidence, stripped from their dignity, and just beaten.

It's gotta be fuck you from both sides now. I'd be shocked if Kawhi even returns to San Antonio to clean out his locker at this point.

There's no way. I didn't think he could come back after Parker, Ginobili and Pop took veiled shots at him through the media, but now the media is getting in on it. Even Reggie Miller, who's terrible, was taking potshots at him.

He's absolutely going to get traded in the off-season.

 

[czvo]

Pop talking about LaMarcus...

View: https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/986116796359954432



Yeah, it wasn't directly about Kawhi, but there's been an awful lot of "proud of these guys" and "playing through adversity" getting thrown around these days by Spurs folks. Maybe it seems like more than normal because people don't usually pay attention to the Spurs...... but it doesn't feel normal to me.

 

[gourimoko]

There's no way. I didn't think he could come back after Parker, Ginobili and Pop took veiled shots at him through the media, but now the media is getting in on it. Even Reggie Miller, who's terrible, was taking potshots at him.

He's absolutely going to get traded in the off-season.

Yeah.. impossible to imagine him even being welcome back after all of this..

Again, I think the Cavs should make a massive offer if LeBron talks to him and thinks he is (1) faking most of this, and (2) looking to play for a contender.

 

[Real Deal]

Yeah.. impossible to imagine him even being welcome back after all of this..

Again, I think the Cavs should make a massive offer if LeBron talks to him and thinks he is (1) faking most of this, and (2) looking to play for a contender.

Judging by the Cavs being active in trades lately, they should and probably would make an offer. Kawhi really needs to have a one list team though, scare away other suitors first and foremost. Cavs also have to be careful by not trading away to much, we can't have LeBron, Kawhi, and other dude's.

I don't know how we go about building a team after those guys but I know losing Love would be killer from a spacing and rebounding standpoint. He's by far our best defensive rebounder, and it won't get replaced.

By Kawhi demanding a trade to Cleveland would allow us to keep Love in my opinion.

We need Daddy Silver to flex his muscles and rig it up somehow, someway for Cavs though, I'm just calling for the 3rd pick at least.

Hypothetically we get the 3rd pick, that's goddamn good enough packaged with Cedi, Zizic, salary filler.

 

[RuanuLaw]

Judging by the Cavs being active in trades lately, they should and probably would make an offer. Kawhi really needs to have a one list team though, scare away other suitors first and foremost. Cavs also have to be careful by not trading away to much, we can't have LeBron, Kawhi, and other dude's.

I don't know how we go about building a team after those guys but I know losing Love would be killer from a spacing and rebounding standpoint. He's by far our best defensive rebounder, and it won't get replaced.

By Kawhi demanding a trade to Cleveland would allow us to keep Love in my opinion.

We need Daddy Silver to flex his muscles and rig it up somehow, someway for Cavs though, I'm just calling for the 3rd pick at least.

Hypothetically we get the 3rd pick, that's goddamn good enough packaged with Cedi, Zizic, salary filler.

I do either Love OR Zizic. Not both.

From my understanding, the data points to Zizic being great in the future.

 

[Nathan S]

I do either Love OR Zizic. Not both.

From my understanding, the data points to Zizic being great in the future.

This isn't entirely true (and I say that as one of this biggest proponents). He just didn't play enough minutes to be sure about how good he's going to be. As a result, I expect he'll be valued more like a late-lottery pick than a proven NBA talent in any trade discussions.

 

[Kevalier]

Judging by the Cavs being active in trades lately, they should and probably would make an offer. Kawhi really needs to have a one list team though, scare away other suitors first and foremost. Cavs also have to be careful by not trading away to much, we can't have LeBron, Kawhi, and other dude's.

I don't know how we go about building a team after those guys but I know losing Love would be killer from a spacing and rebounding standpoint. He's by far our best defensive rebounder, and it won't get replaced.

By Kawhi demanding a trade to Cleveland would allow us to keep Love in my opinion.

We need Daddy Silver to flex his muscles and rig it up somehow, someway for Cavs though, I'm just calling for the 3rd pick at least.

Hypothetically we get the 3rd pick, that's goddamn good enough packaged with Cedi, Zizic, salary filler.

“Daddy Silver...”

 

[bigfoot5415]

Judging by the Cavs being active in trades lately, they should and probably would make an offer. Kawhi really needs to have a one list team though, scare away other suitors first and foremost. Cavs also have to be careful by not trading away to much, we can't have LeBron, Kawhi, and other dude's.

I don't know how we go about building a team after those guys but I know losing Love would be killer from a spacing and rebounding standpoint. He's by far our best defensive rebounder, and it won't get replaced.

By Kawhi demanding a trade to Cleveland would allow us to keep Love in my opinion.

We need Daddy Silver to flex his muscles and rig it up somehow, someway for Cavs though, I'm just calling for the 3rd pick at least.

Hypothetically we get the 3rd pick, that's goddamn good enough packaged with Cedi, Zizic, salary filler.

Still have to fix coaching.

If Kawhi is forcing his way out of San Antonio to be a part of something bigger; its not going to be here. If its just about his treatment & wanting to win. Do it!

 

[Cavatt]

I do either Love OR Zizic. Not both.

From my understanding, the data points to Zizic being great in the future.

I sort of agree. You don't usually get a PF and a Center for a wing, even a superstar wing. Star Player, Young prospect, Lottery pick. That is the formula. You can mix and match some, but that should not be your first offer, and you have to be able to sweeten the deal for one thing.

If Zizic isn't good enough, then no reason he should just be thrown in. Having Nance as your best big would be very concerning. For one thing it seems like you are selling low on Love a bit. He is still the best stretch 4-5 in the league and he is not 30 yet.

 

[godfather]

I guess lot of it comes down to how bad do you want to keep LeBron. Not just get Leonard.

So, if we get technical over guys like Zizic, just saying, LB is gone. I don't think there's any chance keeping him here unless you get a player like Leonard.

I'm not loving the idea of trading Love and a top 3 pick (if we get that lucky) for him.

But, if it keeps LB here, I think you gotta, do it..

We at least have one last run, chance at a title. Sorry, but if we go the other way, I just don't see us getting back to this point again.

Not with this franchise.