Kevin Love Trade Ideas

[K1rieIrving>AllOtherPG's]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-can-the-thunder-keep-russell-westbrook/

Cousins has two years remaining on his deal (this season and next) and given the sheer volume of big men the Kings have drafted and signed in recent years, it’s hard to believe the Kings are not going to at least listen to trade offers, especially if things do not improve out of the gate.

League sources peg the Kings’ stance on Cousins as a “non-starter.” They simply won’t go there on trade talk despite long-standing interest from the Boston Celtics and at least one inquiry for the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Operation Cousins = Not happening.

Kings are just so frustrating, terrible GM, terrible FO/Ownership. Such a dysfunctional mess of a Franchise, still not sure why DeMarcus hasn't demanded a trade out of that mess yet.

I would Love to have the best Center in basketball on the team, So I'm still hoping there's a chance of a midseason crisis that will somehow end up with him being a Cav, even though its unlikey since Boston has so much more to offer them than Kevin Love..

 

[Randolphkeys]

I think it's important to remember the original point of this thread... staff needed to separate all the terrible trade ideas from discussion of Kevin Love the Cavaliers player. I'd like to see more activity in the Love thread talking about his increased understanding of his role.

On the Any Given Wednesday show two weeks ago, Chris Bosh talked about how he didn't understand his role with LeBron in 2011, and he only figured it out when Wade got hurt in the 2011/2012 season. It makes perfect sense that Love's learning curve took more than 1 1/2 seasons.

 

[iamacavalier]

I think it's important to remember the original point of this thread... staff needed to separate all the terrible trade ideas from discussion of Kevin Love the Cavaliers player. I'd like to see more activity in the Love thread talking about his increased understanding of his role.

On the Any Given Wednesday show two weeks ago, Chris Bosh talked about how he didn't understand his role with LeBron in 2011, and he only figured it out when Wade got hurt in the 2011/2012 season. It makes perfect sense that Love'story learning curve tookore than 1 1/2 seasons.

Thank you! The only reason I came into this thread was to see what you wrote and it was great as usual. I would like to add that they aren't going to trade for young guys. They aren't going to trade him for players who haven't won't squat. This tea,m has real chemistry. This may be the one area other than just having Lebron James and bench that we have better than the Warriors after them getting kd. They will have some major adjustments to make.

 

[Kal]

I think it's important to remember the original point of this thread... staff needed to separate all the terrible trade ideas from discussion of Kevin Love the Cavaliers player. I'd like to see more activity in the Love thread talking about his increased understanding of his role.

On the Any Given Wednesday show two weeks ago, Chris Bosh talked about how he didn't understand his role with LeBron in 2011, and he only figured it out when Wade got hurt in the 2011/2012 season. It makes perfect sense that Love's learning curve took more than 1 1/2 seasons.

While I agree that next year's Kevin Love will show more of an understanding of his role and therefore fit better, there is a bit of a difference between him and Bosh...mainly PnR defense and length. Even though Bosh is not the 3 point shooter and rebounder KL is, he was able, starting from 2012, to become a ++ defender and thus become an integral part of the Heat Game Plan. Love, even if he improves, can't provide that as he can't move his feet the same way and doesn't have the same length. He will need to find another way to justify his contract and I think he can only do that if he remains a constant elite rebounder on the defensive end (he was not during the finals though Bron focusing on that didn't help his numbers) AND if he is able to bang in the post and score efficiently. I love the player but him being less efficient from the post (think losing weight didn't help) is the difference between a big 3 and a big 2.
Hopefully, with the Championship' confidence and a full training camp, he'll go back to being an efficient scorer inside and improve his team defense awareness. If he does that, he'll become playable against GSW and maybe force them to adjust. If not, I can't see why the Cavs wouldn't think to trade him for someone that gives them more of an edge...

 

[robinlorain]

I think it's important to remember the original point of this thread... staff needed to separate all the terrible trade ideas from discussion of Kevin Love the Cavaliers player. I'd like to see more activity in the Love thread talking about his increased understanding of his role.
The problem with K Love is he is an expensive part of this team that is not a great fit, thus the mood of the fans that have posted here.

I'd trade him for Cousins in a heartbeat but I think moving him to Philly for Okafor would be a better move.

Roberto Coppola: Any truth to the DeMarcus Cousins for Kevin Love rumors? Ahat about Russell Westbrook to the Cavs? – Steve Kyler: Not likely for either – was told Cavs inquired about DeMarcus Cousins, but it dd not go anywhere.
5 days ago – via Twitter stevekylerNBA

 

[iamacavalier]

While I agree that next year's Kevin Love will show more of an understanding of his role and therefore fit better, there is a bit of a difference between him and Bosh...mainly PnR defense and length. Even though Bosh is not the 3 point shooter and rebounder KL is, he was able, starting from 2012, to become a ++ defender and thus become an integral part of the Heat Game Plan. Love, even if he improves, can't provide that as he can't move his feet the same way and doesn't have the same length. He will need to find another way to justify his contract and I think he can only do that if he remains a constant elite rebounder on the defensive end (he was not during the finals though Bron focusing on that didn't help his numbers) AND if he is able to bang in the post and score efficiently. I love the player but him being less efficient from the post (think losing weight didn't help) is the difference between a big 3 and a big 2.
Hopefully, with the Championship' confidence and a full training camp, he'll go back to being an efficient scorer inside and improve his team defense awareness. If he does that, he'll become playable against GSW and maybe force them to adjust. If not, I can't see why the Cavs wouldn't think to trade him for someone that gives them more of an edge...

Second time in a week I came here and I'm regretting it... Love was not an elite rebounder? He averaged 9 rebounds in 6 games on an average of 22 minutes (game he got injured+ game he didn't start pulled his minutes down plus the blow outs)... You say even though Bosh isn't the rebounder and 3 point shooter that love is... Like those things were not incredibly important to the cavs offense and defense this year. They are incredibly important and one of big reasons that the "death lineup" was less affective.

TT averaged 10 rpg. In 7 games and played with an average of 31 minutes. Love at 9 was our most consistent rebounder the entire series...

Not to mention people blow off the fact that he plays most of his game at the 3 point line while averaging 9 rebounds. Which is incredibly rare.

He uses his gravity as an allstar to pull the D out of the paint so that lebron and irving have all those clear lanes to the rim. You think that NBA defenses just part for Lebron and Kyrie to go to the hole?

His 41% three point shooting, His passing, his ELITE rebounding, his IQ, unselfishness, and his gravity on O. And Yes. Even his D in the playoffs even in the finals were huge.

And how we are so ready to forget "the stop" he made on the MVP.

The one thing the cavs have gained this offseason that the Warriors lost was continuity. Having the same core for 3 seasons in a row is a gift that should be held onto. Not looking to guess at an "upgrade"

Boogie has won nothing meaningful not even in college or high school. He doesn't stretch the floor and doesn't give the cavs any larger advantage over the warriors. And would be a nightmare with TT in the paint.

There is not a chance in the world the cavs are going to go trade for a rookie or sophomore player in the NBA let alone draft picks.

Melo the one player I could see them reaching out to for Love has done nothing in the NBA except be the player with the worse playoff winning % in NBA history at .306%. Oh and Melo (who is exiting his prime) is 5 years older than Love (who is entering his prime). Not to mention love was a better rebounder and more accurate from 3's this year than melo.

The idea of trading love is ridiculous. Especially after coming off a championship. And especially considering he has not had a healthy training camp yet and has only been on the cavs for a season and a half.

 

[Flight479]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-can-the-thunder-keep-russell-westbrook/

Cousins has two years remaining on his deal (this season and next) and given the sheer volume of big men the Kings have drafted and signed in recent years, it’s hard to believe the Kings are not going to at least listen to trade offers, especially if things do not improve out of the gate.

League sources peg the Kings’ stance on Cousins as a “non-starter.” They simply won’t go there on trade talk despite long-standing interest from the Boston Celtics and at least one inquiry for the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Operation Cousins = Not happening.

Since then there's been rumors of a three team trade which is the way to go. Cousins to Cleveland, Love to Suns, Bledsoe to Kings. The Kings are said to be intrigued because Bledsoe could replace Rondo. They aren't interested in Love coming to them though.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Since then there's been rumors of a three team trade which is the way to go. Cousins to Cleveland, Love to Suns, Bledsoe to Kings. The Kings are said to be intrigued because Bledsoe could replace Rondo. They aren't interested in Love coming to them though.

I can't see the Kings doing that swap. If they're dumping Cousins I would imagine they would go into full rebuild mode and call the Celtics

 

[Flight479]

Second time in a week I came here and I'm regretting it... Love was not an elite rebounder? He averaged 9 rebounds in 6 games on an average of 22 minutes (game he got injured+ game he didn't start pulled his minutes down plus the blow outs)... You say even though Bosh isn't the rebounder and 3 point shooter that love is... Like those things were not incredibly important to the cavs offense and defense this year. They are incredibly important and one of big reasons that the "death lineup" was less affective.

TT averaged 10 rpg. In 7 games and played with an average of 31 minutes. Love at 9 was our most consistent rebounder the entire series...

Not to mention people blow off the fact that he plays most of his game at the 3 point line while averaging 9 rebounds. Which is incredibly rare.

He uses his gravity as an allstar to pull the D out of the paint so that lebron and irving have all those clear lanes to the rim. You think that NBA defenses just part for Lebron and Kyrie to go to the hole?

His 41% three point shooting, His passing, his ELITE rebounding, his IQ, unselfishness, and his gravity on O. And Yes. Even his D in the playoffs even in the finals were huge.

And how we are so ready to forget "the stop" he made on the MVP.

The one thing the cavs have gained this offseason that the Warriors lost was continuity. Having the same core for 3 seasons in a row is a gift that should be held onto. Not looking to guess at an "upgrade"

Boogie has won nothing meaningful not even in college or high school. He doesn't stretch the floor and doesn't give the cavs any larger advantage over the warriors. And would be a nightmare with TT in the paint.

There is not a chance in the world the cavs are going to go trade for a rookie or sophomore player in the NBA let alone draft picks.

Melo the one player I could see them reaching out to for Love has done nothing in the NBA except be the player with the worse playoff winning % in NBA history at .306%. Oh and Melo (who is exiting his prime) is 5 years older than Love (who is entering his prime). Not to mention love was a better rebounder and more accurate from 3's this year than melo.

The idea of trading love is ridiculous. Especially after coming off a championship. And especially considering he has not had a healthy training camp yet and has only been on the cavs for a season and a half.

Bosh offered much more beside LeBron than Love has. His ability to play the 5 well was key to those Heat teams. His main value was hid mid range shot and pnr defense, he also was open to and was a threat from 3. Love's value is in his 3 ball and defensive rebounding. Those are the biggest differences between the two players. Is a matter of preference who was/is better but I think Bosh was definitely a better fit next to LeBron.

 

[Flight479]

I can't see the Kings doing that swap. If they're dumping Cousins I would imagine they would go into full rebuild mode and call the Celtics

Hope not. Hope they're willing to do this. We come out better than the other two but they still fill a need on their teams. Suns have been wanting Love and Bledsoe is still young and could get them 18-20 points a night. But, yeah I see what you're saying.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Since then there's been rumors of a three team trade which is the way to go. Cousins to Cleveland, Love to Suns, Bledsoe to Kings. The Kings are said to be intrigued because Bledsoe could replace Rondo. They aren't interested in Love coming to them though.

That bullshit rumor has one value: It shows exactly where the Love trade rumors originate... and it's not coming from the Cavs.

 

[iamacavalier]

Bosh offered much more beside LeBron than Love has. His ability to play the 5 well was key to those Heat teams. His main value was hid mid range shot and pnr defense, he also was open to and was a threat from 3. Love's value is in his 3 ball and defensive rebounding. Those are the biggest differences between the two players. Is a matter of preference who was/is better but I think Bosh was definitely a better fit next to LeBron.

Its hard to compare the two. because people will remember the Bosh at the end of the big 3 of the heat after they had solidified their roles and forget how much he struggle to find his niche for a while. But my point wasn't a who is better. My point was that he made is sound like loves 3 point shooting and rebounds were less important than bosh's defense. People could argue all day about who is a better fit. or who is better. But Love is not some trash player compared to bosh to me they are equals with different skill sets.

And they arent talking about trading for bosh. They are talking about trading for inefficient, unexperienced, players on losing teams. Just stupid to shake up a team so bad for little to no reward.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Yep. Bosh was an All Star low post player in Toronto with a very high usage rate. He had great agility and length to defend out to the three point line, was an average rim protector for a skinny power forward, and tenacious rebounder. He had a nice jump shot that was underused in games, averaging about .5 threes a game.

It took Bosh two years to begin to play like he does now: A stretch 5 who switches from the center to small forward on defense. His three point accuracy and shooting efficiency only reached the Kevin Love level after LeBron left.

 

[Kal]

Second time in a week I came here and I'm regretting it... Love was not an elite rebounder? He averaged 9 rebounds in 6 games on an average of 22 minutes (game he got injured+ game he didn't start pulled his minutes down plus the blow outs)... You say even though Bosh isn't the rebounder and 3 point shooter that love is... Like those things were not incredibly important to the cavs offense and defense this year. They are incredibly important and one of big reasons that the "death lineup" was less affective.

TT averaged 10 rpg. In 7 games and played with an average of 31 minutes. Love at 9 was our most consistent rebounder the entire series...

Not to mention people blow off the fact that he plays most of his game at the 3 point line while averaging 9 rebounds. Which is incredibly rare.

He uses his gravity as an allstar to pull the D out of the paint so that lebron and irving have all those clear lanes to the rim. You think that NBA defenses just part for Lebron and Kyrie to go to the hole?

His 41% three point shooting, His passing, his ELITE rebounding, his IQ, unselfishness, and his gravity on O. And Yes. Even his D in the playoffs even in the finals were huge.

And how we are so ready to forget "the stop" he made on the MVP.

The one thing the cavs have gained this offseason that the Warriors lost was continuity. Having the same core for 3 seasons in a row is a gift that should be held onto. Not looking to guess at an "upgrade"

Boogie has won nothing meaningful not even in college or high school. He doesn't stretch the floor and doesn't give the cavs any larger advantage over the warriors. And would be a nightmare with TT in the paint.

There is not a chance in the world the cavs are going to go trade for a rookie or sophomore player in the NBA let alone draft picks.

Melo the one player I could see them reaching out to for Love has done nothing in the NBA except be the player with the worse playoff winning % in NBA history at .306%. Oh and Melo (who is exiting his prime) is 5 years older than Love (who is entering his prime). Not to mention love was a better rebounder and more accurate from 3's this year than melo.

The idea of trading love is ridiculous. Especially after coming off a championship. And especially considering he has not had a healthy training camp yet and has only been on the cavs for a season and a half.

Where did I say Love was trash and where did I mention players to replace him??? Just pointed out that if compared to Bosh, the PnR defense is a big difference between the 2 and that this is a really really useful skill to have in the NBA and even more so in this NBA with a team like GS. I also mentioned that I can see him improve this year with the confidence coming from a championship and a full training camp...but it seems your answer was made before reading.

The Cavs need Love to convert the easy shots or great position he gets inside and I didn't see it during the PO...He shot well from 3, rebounded ok (and no he wasn't the best rebounder during the finals, Bron was) and made effort on defense but whatever we say, he is not a defensive savant, even though people want to always mention the "STOP" to show he is...he did great there and was an integral part of the Game 7 success but that shouldn't stop the worries about his PnR defense.

Now, I love the player and the team consistency and hope he takes the same leap as Bosh in his 3rd year in terms of fitting in...but if he doesn't, I do believe the team has to look for a trade that brings them an edge to counter what GS did. I mean if you read Griffin's comments, he highlights the fact that they might hv found out how to use Love and that only meant that till the Finals, they weren't really sure it was possible. Thats how I read it at least.

 

[Cavatt]

Second time in a week I came here and I'm regretting it... Love was not an elite rebounder? He averaged 9 rebounds in 6 games on an average of 22 minutes (game he got injured+ game he didn't start pulled his minutes down plus the blow outs)... You say even though Bosh isn't the rebounder and 3 point shooter that love is... Like those things were not incredibly important to the cavs offense and defense this year. They are incredibly important and one of big reasons that the "death lineup" was less affective.

TT averaged 10 rpg. In 7 games and played with an average of 31 minutes. Love at 9 was our most consistent rebounder the entire series...

Not to mention people blow off the fact that he plays most of his game at the 3 point line while averaging 9 rebounds. Which is incredibly rare.

He uses his gravity as an allstar to pull the D out of the paint so that lebron and irving have all those clear lanes to the rim. You think that NBA defenses just part for Lebron and Kyrie to go to the hole?

His 41% three point shooting, His passing, his ELITE rebounding, his IQ, unselfishness, and his gravity on O. And Yes. Even his D in the playoffs even in the finals were huge.

And how we are so ready to forget "the stop" he made on the MVP.

The one thing the cavs have gained this offseason that the Warriors lost was continuity. Having the same core for 3 seasons in a row is a gift that should be held onto. Not looking to guess at an "upgrade"

Boogie has won nothing meaningful not even in college or high school. He doesn't stretch the floor and doesn't give the cavs any larger advantage over the warriors. And would be a nightmare with TT in the paint.

There is not a chance in the world the cavs are going to go trade for a rookie or sophomore player in the NBA let alone draft picks.

Melo the one player I could see them reaching out to for Love has done nothing in the NBA except be the player with the worse playoff winning % in NBA history at .306%. Oh and Melo (who is exiting his prime) is 5 years older than Love (who is entering his prime). Not to mention love was a better rebounder and more accurate from 3's this year than melo.

The idea of trading love is ridiculous. Especially after coming off a championship. And especially considering he has not had a healthy training camp yet and has only been on the cavs for a season and a half.

I feel you on Melo. Too old and he has not really taken care of his body the way he should have. He looks dumpy for an NBA player. Im surprised about his 3pt%

He should have had a better career.