Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[Cavatt]

He can get really hot and has, but he’s also always had two elite players, i.e., James and Rubio, get him the ball in the right places. WOWY ON/OFF stats only go back to the 2014/2015 season. From NBA.com and BKREF lineup data, Love seems to be part of some good offense when Rubiomwas on court.

Love’s efficiency and three point shooting fell off of a cliff when LeBron was off court EVEN THOUGH Love’s 2point % was slightly higher. Love shot threes at a lower rate, but also the number of open and wide open threes he took a nosedive with James off court. I also included numbers with Kyrie on court and James off court and those numbers are ugly as hell.

Kevin Love WITH LeBron James on court:

6,327 minutes played, 45.8% on twos, 40% on threes (shot a three once every 10 possessions), 52.7% eFG, 57.6% TS, 1.17 points per possession.

Team ORtg, 117
Team DRtg, 108
NET: +9 per 100 possessions, equivalent to a 66-70 win team, and higher than the Shaq/Kobe combo.

Kevin Love WITHOUT LeBron James on court:

1,186 minutes played, 46.2% on twos, 31.4% on threes (shot a three once every 12.5 possessions), 46.6% eFG, 53.8% TS, 1.09 points per possession.

Team ORtg, 106
Team DRtg, 109
NET: -3 100 possessions, equivalent to a 30 win team.

Kevin Love WITHOUT LeBron James on court but WITH Kyrie

533 minutes played, 42.1% on twos, 29.7% on threes (shot a three once every 13 possessions), 42.9% eFG, 50.6% TS, 1.02 points per possession.

Team ORtg, 108
Team DRtg, 110.6
NET: -4.4 per 100 possessions, equivalent to a 20-25 win team.

Hill and Kevin have shown good chemistry. Cedi seems to be able to play well with bigs as well. We haven't seen many (if any) minutes with him and Kevin. Great option for the kick out from Sexton, but that remains to be seen. there are some big question marks going into the season for sure.

 

[Green Lantern]

I'm not sure any of that addresses my rather short and simple point: Terry sounded kinda pompous in that article. That is all.

Did you think so? If not, cool. If so, then...also cool? lol

When I read it , to me it didn't sound so pompous..but him trying to be creative..which he could have left alone.
Terry has written for the Browns and he sounds better when he's discussing them.
And I'm not really a Pluto fan.
I tend to disregard most of his articles..and thats from reading them years and years ago.

 

[Cavatt]

Kevin is going to get a lot of love from the fanbase and critics this year I think.

 

[TitleTown]

Kevin is going to get a lot of love from the fanbase and critics this year I think.

It will be well deserved, but this was also a VERY smart move for Kevin from a career/financial standpoint. He will now be forever associated with Cleveland and our only championship in the last 50 years. And, now that he's basically committed the rest of his career to the Cavs (or, at least the remainder of his "prime"), he'll steal some of the glory that would have otherwise gone to LeBron or Kyrie.

There are lots of post-career opportunities that will now be available to Kevin in the Cleveland area. Whether it be working for the Cavs organization/front office after he retires, or making money on endorsements as a local celebrity. Becoming the #1 option for a team like Cleveland in the vacuum left by LeBron will no doubt afford him many money-making opportunities.

Kevin deserves it, and I'm glad that the Cavs' organization recognizes the mutually beneficial role that Kevin can play during our rebuild.

 

[CSF]

It will be well deserved, but this was also a VERY smart move for Kevin from a career/financial standpoint. He will now be forever associated with Cleveland and our only championship in the last 50 years. And, now that he's basically committed the rest of his career to the Cavs (or, at least the remainder of his "prime"), he'll steal some of the glory that would have otherwise gone to LeBron or Kyrie.

There are lots of post-career opportunities that will now be available to Kevin in the Cleveland area. Whether it be working for the Cavs organization/front office after he retires, or making money on endorsements as a local celebrity. Becoming the #1 option for a team like Cleveland in the vacuum left by LeBron will no doubt afford him many money-making opportunities.

Kevin deserves it, and I'm glad that the Cavs' organization recognizes the mutually beneficial role that Kevin can play during our rebuild.

Kevin still needs to play near all star level for most of what you said to come true. He also needs to stay healthy , missing 50% the games he will become an after thought and soon fans will turn on him.

 

[benchplayer]

Kevin still needs to play near all star level for most of what you said to come true. He also needs to stay healthy , missing 50% the games he will become an after thought and soon fans will turn on him.

some of those injuries came from playing out of position, now love can go back to power forward

 

[ACisKING]

some of those injuries came from playing out of position, now love can go back to power forward

Which of his injuries came from playing out of position?

 

[amurderofcrows]

I can think of a couple of concussions.

 

[KevinLoveFan]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...evin-love-paul-pierce-state-mental-health-nba

Interesting read on Love and the NBA's mental health. I remember the news of when Pierce was stabbed; not surprised he had to deal with a bunch of stuff after that.

I guess this is just another age-old reminder of how money, fame, and success aren't the answers to all problems. Love won a ring with LeBron, produced big numbers in Minnesota, has made a ton of $, might be the best-looking dude in the world -- but he has problems.

Science doesn't seem to have the answers for mental health. I know many of us look to spiritual sources for peace instead. Love's a successful NBA player, but I have never heard him discuss if he has any spiritual or religious convictions. He's not like David Robinson, A.C. Green, Hakeem Olajuwon, or Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf with strong Christian or Islamic beliefs. I know his uncle was in the Beach Boys and they do meditation type stuff, but they don't subscribe to a more organized moral code like the Christians and Muslims do.

Anyway, we always see these guys as basketball players first, but they are also human beings and have the same struggles other human beings often do.

 

[Cavatt]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...evin-love-paul-pierce-state-mental-health-nba

Interesting read on Love and the NBA's mental health. I remember the news of when Pierce was stabbed; not surprised he had to deal with a bunch of stuff after that.

I guess this is just another age-old reminder of how money, fame, and success aren't the answers to all problems. Love won a ring with LeBron, produced big numbers in Minnesota, has made a ton of $, might be the best-looking dude in the world -- but he has problems.

Science doesn't seem to have the answers for mental health. I know many of us look to spiritual sources for peace instead. Love's a successful NBA player, but I have never heard him discuss if he has any spiritual or religious convictions. He's not like David Robinson, A.C. Green, Hakeem Olajuwon, or Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf with strong Christian or Islamic beliefs. I know his uncle was in the Beach Boys and they do meditation type stuff, but they don't subscribe to a more organized moral code like the Christians and Muslims do.

Anyway, we always see these guys as basketball players first, but they are also human beings and have the same struggles other human beings often do.

His uncle, Mike Love, is rotten to the core if you believe the stories. He's the one who always wore a beach boys hat everywhere in the 80's and 90's and is behind them selling out to the extent they did the Problem child titular song. haha

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

His uncle, Mike Love, is rotten to the core if you believe the stories. He's the one who always wore a beach boys hat everywhere in the 80's and 90's and is behind them selling out to the extent they did the Problem child titular song. haha

He also was apparently a terror to Brian Wilson back in the day.

After he won the rights to keep using the Beach Boys named, he leased it out to other bands that could perform as The Beach Boys.

 

[czvo]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...evin-love-paul-pierce-state-mental-health-nba

Interesting read on Love and the NBA's mental health. I remember the news of when Pierce was stabbed; not surprised he had to deal with a bunch of stuff after that.

I guess this is just another age-old reminder of how money, fame, and success aren't the answers to all problems. Love won a ring with LeBron, produced big numbers in Minnesota, has made a ton of $, might be the best-looking dude in the world -- but he has problems.

Science doesn't seem to have the answers for mental health. I know many of us look to spiritual sources for peace instead. Love's a successful NBA player, but I have never heard him discuss if he has any spiritual or religious convictions. He's not like David Robinson, A.C. Green, Hakeem Olajuwon, or Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf with strong Christian or Islamic beliefs. I know his uncle was in the Beach Boys and they do meditation type stuff, but they don't subscribe to a more organized moral code like the Christians and Muslims do.

Anyway, we always see these guys as basketball players first, but they are also human beings and have the same struggles other human beings often do.

On the contrary, science seems to have made enormous strides in diagnosing and understanding mental health issues. Think about how far we've come in just the last twenty years. We don't have all the answers, of course, but that doesn't mean there haven't been a number of breakthroughs.

I'm not really sure that following a religion has anything to do with mental health. Shit, just look at all the fucked up shit in the Catholic Church (among other faiths).

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

On the contrary, science seems to have made enormous strides in diagnosing and understanding mental health issues. Think about how far we've come in just the last twenty years. We don't have all the answers, of course, but that doesn't mean there haven't been a number of breakthroughs.

I'm not really sure that following a religion has anything to do with mental health. Shit, just look at all the fucked up shit in the Catholic Church (among other faiths).

Breakthroughs in what exactly?

Mental health in contrast to physical health has hit an halt since the release of Prozac 30 years ago, and even then there were almost just as effective drugs in Russia even going back 30 years earlier.

I think the pharmaceutical companies Love where it's at right now because they get richer and richer. They have no intentions of fixing someone, but instead mask the problem and give him a new one as well, and then give him some more pills for that new condition.

SNRIs are bullshit and anxiety medications like xanax and the likes are shitty and addicting.

 

[czvo]

Breakthroughs in what exactly?

Mental health in contrast to physical health has hit an halt since the release of Prozac 30 years ago, and even then there were almost just as effective drugs in Russia even going back 30 years earlier.

I think the pharmaceutical companies Love where it's at right now because they get richer and richer. They have no intentions of fixing someone, but instead mask the problem and give him a new one as well, and then give him some more pills for that new condition.

SNRIs are bullshit and anxiety medications like xanax and the likes are shitty and addicting.

Should have clarified and said that our understanding and awareness of mental health issues has improved greatly over the last twenty years. And a large part of that is the research that has been done.

As far as curing things, yeah, I have no idea about that. I'm not sure anxiety and depression have a cure just like HIV/AIDS doesn't have a cure. Doesn't mean they can't find one on the future.

Guess I should change my post again to: science may not have the answers on all mental health issues, but that doesn't mean we stop trying.

(I also differentiate between pharmaceutical companies and actual scientific research. But we're getting into a rabbit hole I, admittedly, have little knowledge on, so I'll pass on keeping this convo going as I don't really have much else to add.)

 

[TitleTown]

On the contrary, science seems to have made enormous strides in diagnosing and understanding mental health issues. Think about how far we've come in just the last twenty years. We don't have all the answers, of course, but that doesn't mean there haven't been a number of breakthroughs.

I'm not really sure that following a religion has anything to do with mental health. Shit, just look at all the fucked up shit in the Catholic Church (among other faiths).

Yes, thank you!

Anyone who doesn't know about the MANY advances made by science for mental health is uneducated and ignorant. 100%

Does this mean that science has the key to happiness? No, of course not. There are still countless things to test and discover. And science will likely never answer the philosophical question of "happiness."

But nonetheless, we have made many advances in mental health, and there remains a lot more to learn and study in the future.

Edit: I also agree with Sir Dom regarding the unfortunate influence of big pharm.