Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[David.]

Sounds like we need to open a Kinsey thread in EAYOR where you can all express your kinks and desires.

I'd nominate @David. to start the thread. And we can all bring in our alts if we're too chickenshit to admit that we liked being whipped and chained up from time to time.

To keep this on topic, I'd do Kevin Love. I'd probably go gay for him if presented the opportunity. Being realistic, I'd be super flattered and would probably find a way to blackmail some money out of him. So it'd be a win win.

We've done this and no one is honest.

Everyone just says they like when girls kiss
@The Oi

 

[macbdog]

Sounds like we need to open a Kinsey thread in EAYOR where you can all express your kinks and desires.

Apparently we already had one.

 

[The Oi]

We've done this and no one is honest.

Everyone just says they like when girls kiss
@The Oi

And huge bushes with some face fucking mixed in

 

[sailfish]

Kevin Love will turn 31 before the start of the season and doesn’t seem long for a rebuild. One trade I wouldn’t kind seeing, which makes sense for both teams is:

Love to Portland for Evan Turner, Zach Collins, & Anfernee Simons

Love grew up in Oregon, so it would be a homecoming of sorts. He could really help the Blazers compete and look to take the next step in the brutal Western Conference.

Evan Turner is basically cap filler and the reason the Cavs do the trade is Collins & Simons. Both young players have shown flashes of potential. Simons is stuck behind Lillard & McConnell, but he scored 37 in the season finale, when given a chance to start. He could make a great running mate with Collin Sexton. Collins is competing with Nurkic, Leonard, & Kanter for PT in Portland, but he could easily start in Cleveland.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

Love grew up in Oregon, so it wouldn’t be a homecoming of sorts.

 

[sailfish]

Whoops...yeah that should’ve said ‘would be a homecoming.’

 

[DirtyDan]

Kevin Love will turn 31 before the start of the season and doesn’t seem long for a rebuild. One trade I wouldn’t kind seeing, which makes sense for both teams is:

Love to Portland for Evan Turner, Zach Collins, & Anfernee Simons

Love grew up in Oregon, so it would be a homecoming of sorts. He could really help the Blazers compete and look to take the next step in the brutal Western Conference.

Evan Turner is basically cap filler and the reason the Cavs do the trade is Collins & Simons. Both young players have shown flashes of potential. Simons is stuck behind Lillard & McConnell, but he scored 37 in the season finale, when given a chance to start. He could make a great running mate with Collin Sexton. Collins is competing with Nurkic, Leonard, & Kanter for PT in Portland, but he could easily start in Cleveland.

I think it makes sense for both parties to part ways. Kevin has given the Cavs everything he had and then some. This would be them doing right by Kevin and closing the book on that 2016 championship team.

It's only fitting that he would be a major catalysts to the rebuild. Whether he stays here to help guys develop or is traded for young players/picks.

 

[avs2000]

Kevin Love will turn 31 before the start of the season and doesn’t seem long for a rebuild. One trade I wouldn’t kind seeing, which makes sense for both teams is:

Love to Portland for Evan Turner, Zach Collins, & Anfernee Simons

Love grew up in Oregon, so it would be a homecoming of sorts. He could really help the Blazers compete and look to take the next step in the brutal Western Conference.

Evan Turner is basically cap filler and the reason the Cavs do the trade is Collins & Simons. Both young players have shown flashes of potential. Simons is stuck behind Lillard & McConnell, but he scored 37 in the season finale, when given a chance to start. He could make a great running mate with Collin Sexton. Collins is competing with Nurkic, Leonard, & Kanter for PT in Portland, but he could easily start in Cleveland.

This i like.

 

[CavsFTW]

Kevin Love will turn 31 before the start of the season and doesn’t seem long for a rebuild. One trade I wouldn’t kind seeing, which makes sense for both teams is:

Love to Portland for Evan Turner, Zach Collins, & Anfernee Simons

Love grew up in Oregon, so it would be a homecoming of sorts. He could really help the Blazers compete and look to take the next step in the brutal Western Conference.

Evan Turner is basically cap filler and the reason the Cavs do the trade is Collins & Simons. Both young players have shown flashes of potential. Simons is stuck behind Lillard & McConnell, but he scored 37 in the season finale, when given a chance to start. He could make a great running mate with Collin Sexton. Collins is competing with Nurkic, Leonard, & Kanter for PT in Portland, but he could easily start in Cleveland.

Neither Sexton or Simons is a point guard. If the Cavs trade for another starting guard, it better be for someone who can run the point. Building a team around two guards who can't pass is a laughably bad idea and one that would get people fired.

The centerpiece of any trade needs to mesh from both a talent and strategic vantage point. With Love serving as the lone star left on the roster, Altman has zero room for error.

 

[sailfish]

Neither Sexton or Simons is a point guard. If the Cavs trade for another starting guard, it better be for someone who can run the point. Building a team around two guards who can't pass is a laughably bad idea and one that would get people fired.

The centerpiece of any trade needs to mesh from both a talent and strategic vantage point. With Love serving as the lone star left on the roster, Altman has zero room for error.

Sexton may not be a pure point guard, but I don’t think you necessarily have to have one to be successful. Steph Curry isn’t a pure point guard and you can argue that Damian Lillard isn’t one either.

A Sexton-Simons backcourt could be similar to Lillard-McConnell in that both guys can bring that ball up court and both can create offense. I don’t see how that isn’t desirable, especially in what has become a guard-dominated NBA?

 

[CavsFTW]

Sexton may not be a pure point guard, but I don’t think you necessarily have to have one to be successful. Steph Curry isn’t a pure point guard and you can argue that Damian Lillard isn’t one either.

A Sexton-Simons backcourt could be similar to Lillard-McConnell in that both guys can bring that ball up court and both can create offense. I don’t see how that isn’t desirable, especially in what has become a guard-dominated NBA?

You're right Sailfish -- Sexton's not a pure point guard. He's a PG in height only. Simons is also a SG. To become the Lillard-McCollum combo that you're referring to, one of either Sexton or Simons would have to develop into play maker.

Upon closer inspection, Lillard's career AST% is ~30%, which is fine enough for a shoot first PG. McCollum's is ~17%, which is expectedly lower as a SG.

In a Sexton\Simons backcourt, who are you counting on to make plays? Sexton with his 15.3 AST%? Or Simons with his 13.7 AST%? As a starter in 4 G League games, Simons averaged 1 APG.

Neither has demonstrated the ability to run the point at even an average skill level. No way would I trade Love -- the one decent asset the Cavs have left -- to fit a square peg in a round hole. The Cavs would be far, far better off trading for a player who already knows how to play the position the Cavs need him at.

 

[RustShack]

If you want a pure PG, trade for Monte Morris.

 

[CBBI]

Sexton may not be a pure point guard, but I don’t think you necessarily have to have one to be successful. Steph Curry isn’t a pure point guard and you can argue that Damian Lillard isn’t one either.

A Sexton-Simons backcourt could be similar to Lillard-McConnell in that both guys can bring that ball up court and both can create offense. I don’t see how that isn’t desirable, especially in what has become a guard-dominated NBA?

I know this board is a lot higher on Sexton than I am, but some of these comparisons are just whacky man.

Completely ignoring the fact that Curry is the greatest shooter in the history of basketball and Lillard has the kind of floor bending range possessed by about 4 other NBA players for a second...

Curry and Lillard might not be "pure" point guards in your opinion, but even as rookies they were SIGNIFICANTLY better at making plays for others. Yes, they were older than Sexton, but most NBA players just don't see a dramatic increase in playmaking with more experience. Vision and passing are lot more innate than they are something you can develop in the gym with hard work.

Curry Year 1: 24.6 AST%
Curry Career: 31.5 AST%

Lillard Year 1: 28.8 AST%
Lillard Career: 29.5 AST%

Other PGs Year 1

Young: 40.5%
Irving: 36.5%
Wall: 36.0%
Walker 30.2%
Smith Jr: 29.5%
Ball: 29.2%
Teague: 25.1%
Lowry: 27.3%
Conley 25.3%
Fox: 24.6%
Holiday: 24.4%
Parker: 23.9%
Russell: 21.1%

Sexton Year 1: 15.3 AST%

The only guy recently who Sexton compares to on the lack of playmaking front is Jamal Murray who started out as a 14 AST% guy as a rookie in Denver. Now in year 3 he's still just a 22.4 AST% guy which is still well below average.

I'm not saying Collin CAN'T do it, but it would be pretty unprecedented for a guy to debut as a 15 AST% player and even reach the same status as a playmaker as pretty much anyone else on I just named.

 

[sailfish]

You're right Sailfish -- Sexton's not a pure point guard. He's a PG in height only. Simons is also a SG. To become the Lillard-McCollum combo that you're referring to, one of either Sexton or Simons would have to develop into play maker.

Upon closer inspection, Lillard's career AST% is ~30%, which is fine enough for a shoot first PG. McCollum's is ~17%, which is expectedly lower as a SG.

In a Sexton\Simons backcourt, who are you counting on to make plays? Sexton with his 15.3 AST%? Or Simons with his 13.7 AST%? As a starter in 4 G League games, Simons averaged 1 APG.

Neither has demonstrated the ability to run the point at even an average skill level. No way would I trade Love -- the one decent asset the Cavs have left -- to fit a square peg in a round hole. The Cavs would be far, far better off trading for a player who already knows how to play the position the Cavs need him at.

Sexton improved as the year went on, and he’s a tireless worker, so I believe his game will continue to improve. He will probably never be a high assists guy, but that’s ok, as long as he’s adequate in that area.

You’re looking at an incredibly small sample size of 4 G-league games for Simons. I don’t even think he started those games. Heck, Gary Trent averaged 33 PPG in 5-6 games for the same G-league squad. My advice is take G-league stats with a huge grain of salt.

What impressed me is the 19-year-old Simons scoring 37 points, including 7/11 on 3’s, grabbing 6 boards, and dishing out 9 assists in a season-ending win against NBA players with Sacramento:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/highschool/os-sp-hs-anfernee-simons-0412-story.html?outputType=amp

It was a come from behind win, as the Blazers were down by 28, and the win secured the 3rd playoff seed for the Blazers.

Scoring 37 while dishing out 9 assists for a 19 year old is super impressive in my book! I’d love to be able to acquire Simons and make him Sexton’s running mate.

 

[chuck0609]

Anyone have the Espin plus article about the Cavs?