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Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%

  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%

  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • Total voters
    58
bob2the2nd said:
Hey Los, since its clear you know nothing about pretty much anyone on the blazers let me enlighten you.

Leonard last year averaged 6 pts and 4 board a game with a career VORP in 7 seasons of 0.9

Crowder last year averaged 12 points and 5 board a game and in 7 seasons has a career VORP of 8.8

Mean while Leonard is scheduled to make 11+ million next year, and Crowder 7+ million. Leonard is a waste of 11 million dollars a year. He woudl be included in this trade as a bad contract. Yeah maybe he can do something on this talent less Cavs team, but to view him as anything more than a bad contract is ridiculous, and 100% isnt better than Crowder.

As for the Harkless Korver comparison. While its valid to say Harkless is better than Korver, its over looks several things. Korver was included in that trade a postive value contract as his contract was only partially guaranteed, and Korver is 37 or 38 years old. Harkless better be better than him.
All of that said Harkless is over paid as he only contributed 7 points, and 4.5 rebounds as a starter earning 11 million dollars a year. However he does a career VORP of 6.2 in 7 seasons. Which isnt anythign to write home about hardly makes him a "horrible contract".

So to summerize a trade of Collins, Harkless, Leonard, and a 1st rounder is absolutely 100% worse than what what Conley just got traded for, and no its not close. Both Korver and Crowder at least provided value. Leonard is absolutely fucking worthless, and Harkless while not worthless is in no way shape or for worth 11 million a year.
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I'm well aware of how all of those players have performed so far in their careers. I also know that Jae Crowder looked like a good player in BOS and like absolute shit here. Maybe just basing everything off stats isn't a good indicator. Maybe a new team will change things. Also there's no way you can convince me that Kyle Korver isn't the worst player in those two trades. Crowder is older than all of hose POR players and not as effective as he was before he left BOS. That leaves Grayson Allen. Grayson Allen wouldn't have gotten any minutes in the playoffs on that Blazer team that made the WCF.

I don't need to see the stats. Just watch the games. Crowder and Korver already gave us their services. here's nothing useful they could provide this team now unless Korver wants to be a shooting coach. Graysen Allen? I'd take a stab a Windler over him. So yeah I'd take those 3 players from POR. I'm not worried about their contracts. Had Evan Turner not been traded to ATL for Bazemore he would've been in the deal instead. All 3 of those players from POR fill a bigger need than any of the players going from Utah to Memphis.
 
Los216 said:
I'm well aware of how all of those players have performed so far in their careers. I also know that Jae Crowder looked like a good player in BOS and like absolute shit here. Maybe just basing everything off stats isn't a good indicator. Maybe a new team will change things. Also there's no way you can convince me that Kyle Korver isn't the worst player in those two trades. Crowder is older than all of hose POR players and not as effective as he was before he left BOS. That leaves Grayson Allen. Grayson Allen wouldn't have gotten any minutes in the playoffs on that Blazer team that made the WCF.

I don't need to see the stats. Just watch the games. Crowder and Korver already gave us their services. here's nothing useful they could provide this team now unless Korver wants to be a shooting coach. Graysen Allen? I'd take a stab a Windler over him. So yeah I'd take those 3 players from POR. I'm not worried about their contracts. Had Evan Turner not been traded to ATL for Bazemore he would've been in the deal instead. All 3 of those players from POR fill a bigger need than any of the players going from Utah to Memphis.
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you just argued a career average replacement player making 11 million dollars a year is worth more than Jae Crowder who makes 7 million dollars a year, and only once in his entire career has he ever had a season worth less than .5 VORP. Last year was at 1.3 VORP. Its a laughably bad argument and you should feel bad for making it.

jesus dude, i got it, you watched Crowder suck here, we all did. But its clearl he didnt want to be in Cleveland, not that he wasnt a decent basketball player.
 
jking948 said:
No need for the personal attack.


Leonard sucks. He's fine as a big to soak up minutes during the regular season, but he is way overpaid, and is a net negative. Crowder is better.

Honestly, though, I think the trade debate is not about the ancillary pieces. The debate is:

Memphis gets: relief of Conley contract, two firsts, and Grayson Allen
Cleveland gets: relief of Love's contract, one first, and Zach Collins

I probably agree with you that Memphis gets the better deal. Both contracts are bad, and while Collins is a bit better than Allen, getting the second first makes Memphis's return better.

With that said, Conley provides more value to Utah than Love does for Portland. Would I be in love with the return? No, and I probably would be inclined just to keep Love. But I think it is probably closer to what actually is being offered than a lot of us would like to believe.
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I think Leonard at least gives you a 5 who can stretch the floor. Collins is a decent defender who can block shots and also stretch the floor. Harkless is a 3&D player. What use would we have for Korver or Crowder? Grayson Allen is not as good as Collins to me. MEM gets better pick compensation but I think the POR deal clearly has better players for us right now.
 
Los216 said:
I think Leonard at least gives you a 5 who can stretch the floor. Collins is a decent defender who can block shots and also stretch the floor. Harkless is a 3&D player. What use would we have for Korver or Crowder? Grayson Allen is not as good as Collins to me. MEM gets better pick compensation but I think the POR deal clearly has better players for us right now.
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Collins is definitely better than Allen and he has a lot of tools. The question is if he can translate those tools to consistent production. I think that deal is basically what the return would be for Kevin Love. My only point is that it really raises questions about if the package is more valuable than Love. Moreover, is it more valuable than what we would get for Love if/when Love asks for a trade, gets injured again, etc.?
 
bob2the2nd said:
you just argued a career average replacement player making 11 million dollars a year is worth more than Jae Crowder who makes 7 million dollars a year, and only once in his entire career has he ever had a season worth less than .5 VORP. Last year was at 1.3 VORP. Its a laughably bad argument and you should feel bad for making it.

jesus dude, i got it, you watched Crowder suck here, we all did. But its clearl he didnt want to be in Cleveland, not that he wasnt a decent basketball player.
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You're way too caught up in Meyers Leonard's contract. He is salary filler that wouldn't even be included had Evan Turner not been traded to ATL. Besides Kevin Love is our only big who is a 3 point 3. Leonard at leaves gives you some of that so you're replacing a little bit of what Kevin Love gave you. I'm not saying Meyers Leonard is gonna play 35 MPG at the 5 and launch 10 three's a night. He's just be more useful for this team the way it's built than Jae Crowder would be.
 
jking948 said:
Collins is definitely better than Allen and he has a lot of tools. The question is if he can translate those tools to consistent production. I think that deal is basically what the return would be for Kevin Love. My only point is that it really raises questions about if the package is more valuable than Love. Moreover, is it more valuable than what we would get for Love if/when Love asks for a trade, gets injured again, etc.?
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We're not in an ideal position because we have to wait and see how FA plays out to know what to do with Love. After the dust settles then it will be more clear on which teams should make a run like TOR did and go get Love. I think though at worst we could get that POR trade for him right now. Maybe something better breaks for us like Jaylen Brown but at worst that POR deal should be a viable option.
 
Los216 said:
You're way too caught up in Meyers Leonard's contract. He is salary filler that wouldn't even be included had Evan Turner not been traded to ATL. Besides Kevin Love is our only big who is a 3 point 3. Leonard at leaves gives you some of that so you're replacing a little bit of what Kevin Love gave you. I'm not saying Meyers Leonard is gonna play 35 MPG at the 5 and launch 10 three's a night. He's just be more useful for this team the way it's built than Jae Crowder would be.
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Meyers Leonard would be as useful as an $11 million ham sandwich.

Nobody should be paying $11 million for a ham sandwich.
 
CBBI said:
In no way, shape or form is Kevin Love a top 5 PF/C in the NBA at this point and time.

Also Love’s contract doesn’t decline every year. It actually only declines in the 4th year after increasing in year 2 and remaining flat in year 3.
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I’d really love to see your top 5 list of centers and power forwards then in both categories. I just don’t see how you don’t have Kevin love on one of those lists. He was injured almost all of last year, but Sextons improvement on the court after his injury wasn’t by chance.

The cap increases more then his salary every year, it’s effectively a decrease.
 
The Voice said:
I’d really love to see your top 5 list of centers and power forwards then in both categories. I just don’t see how you don’t have Kevin love on one of those lists. He was injured almost all of last year, but Sextons improvement on the court after his injury wasn’t by chance.

The cap increases more then his salary every year, it’s effectively a decrease.
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I mean, "top 5 PF/C" means top 5 among all PF's and C's.

If you want to argue that he's a top 5 PF, then that's an argument you can make.
 
I think the Cavs will maximize what they can get for Love..but it will take time.
 
Los216 said:
Or he'll just get injured before Christmas and kill his value at the deadline.
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Lol. Maybe when Love gets injured again, he’ll announce that he’s retiring, and the Cavs will convince him to wait on filing paperwork with the league, so they can trade his Uber-valuable contract.

I can see it now....It’ll be the JR Trade Safari 2.0!

For those without a sarcasm-meter, that’s a joke. I think we all know Kevin isn’t walking away from $30 million per year over the next four years.
 
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