Kyrie Irving Trade Ideas

[David.]

Wall and LeBron's strengths are too similar. If you have them on the same team, one has to take away from the other.

Do you want to take away with what Wall does best?

What LeBron does best?

This is why I've always been hesitant to even do a CP3 trade. I know CP3 is better. But again, one would have to take away from the other.

That's why I still think a Kyrie fits in best with LB when it comes to guards. His primary objective is to score. Which is fine.

He just needs to tweak/clean up other parts of his game.

Having another guard that can punish the defense helps LeBron out a lot. You need a guy like that.

I'm very close to being entirely ok with his offense.. He's passing more and yes, we need to depend on a sure shot on times of need..

Still hoping he turns the corner on over dribbling..

Considering almost all pgs, there's not many that are facilitators like some are looking for. It's basically wall vs everyone else.

I do prefer having players that get something from setting up players.. While they both do prefer to be facilitators, I feel like the very nature of that term inherently means they will figure it out and learn to facilitate within the team rather than just dominating out of spite..





The issue I have is that it just takes away a player on each side of the ball until he drastically improves on defense, or shunpert becomes an nba level talent on offense..

Until then, I'm anxious about 1. How to protect against all these fast guards, 2. Leaving shooters open if we're packing the paint to do so, and 3. Playing 4 on 5 on offense..

A night where the opponent leaves only shump as an option to use is a scary one.


We have foundational defensive issues that teams that aren't the pistpns will abuse, at some point..


I'd simply rather have an offensive 5 and defensive 5 rated pg than an offensive 9 and defensive -3


For as much everyone loved Iverson his teams were only +4 points with him on the court than without him at his peak

 

[godfather]

I don't think it diminishes Kyrie because we need a better defender at the two guard. Is that your biggest issue Dave? Most teams prefer to have a more defensive oriented player to mesh with their best offensive players.

It's why the Thunder always started Sefolosha next to Westbrook, or Robertson. Not because Westbrook can't defend, but why expend all his energy on that side of the ball?

That's the same thought process you SHOULD use with your best offensive players.

This is why the Heat started Battier so he could take on all the gritty defensive assignments. And why LeBron almost always defended the weakest player. (defensive liability?) Ha, no, because he's LeBron and can't be asked to carry the load in every facet out there.

As the over dribbling, I think he will shake this out of his game eventually.

I can point to almost EVERY GREAT individual basketball player, that is outstanding in isolation that was once guilty of pounding the rock too much. Jordan had this problem. He was really bad early in his career.

Hell, even LeBron did it early in his career.

It's something I think can be broken. And will as Kyrie matures as a player and learns how to read defenses even better.

I think Kyrie has done a much better job of it lately. He still has bad habits that won't be broken overnight. But it's not like this is the only EFFECTIVE way for him to play. It not only hurts the team, but Kyrie's game too.

I see issues with Kyrie that can be fixed. That's why I've never been strongly beating the drum he needs to be traded.

We have a three time all-star that's just 24 and still has room for improvement. A lot of teams would love to have this problem..

Put him on the trade market, and 20 teams call you instantly. That's not a guy you actively look to shop.

 

[Pioneer10]

Wall and LeBron's strengths are too similar. If you have them on the same team, one has to take away from the other.

Do you want to take away with what Wall does best?

What LeBron does best?

This is why I've always been hesitant to even do a CP3 trade. I know CP3 is better. But again, one would have to take away from the other.

That's why I still think a Kyrie fits in best with LB when it comes to guards. His primary objective is to score. Which is fine.

He just needs to tweak/clean up other parts of his game.

Having another guard that can punish the defense helps LeBron out a lot. You need a guy like that.

This is what I disagree with: Lebron is absolutely devastating off the ball and he's either lost half a step or simply bulked up where he doesn't make it effortlessly around defenders like he did when he was younger. Wall is like a jacked up version of Delly and a Lebron PnR with Wall would even be better presuming that Wall continues to incremently improve his 3 point shot. On top of that Wall is maybe the best guy in the league at pushing the pace: teams would be scared to death of trying to crash the offensive glass with both Lebron and Wall able to sneak out.

This is on top of the defensive improvement.

 

[Omar The Horse]

@David.

Hi Dickhead

 

[David.]

@David.

Hi Dickhead

I'm glad kyrie had a good game?

 

[Omar The Horse]

I'm glad kyrie had a good game?

He had a great series.

 

[Ohio]

@Stark ...

Oh Stark...

 

[Stark]

Another great thread by Stark.

 

[David.]

You guys realize you are baiting competitiveness and escalation right?

What sort of answer would someone Who prefers the opposite to you in this situation?

They would find an argument, naturally, because of the aggressive tap. And argue it aggressively, because same.

How do you think the other person is gong to respond to that?


It's just fight baiting and escalation. You guys wonder why it goes on four 400 pages, as if you didn't know.


Another pet peeve: exclamation pointing like this, post game..

There's been a lot of bad basketball.. Rubbing opponents noses in it at peaks is not dismissive of the valleys. And even at peaks, there's rocky elements.

 

[Jordan]

Guys to be fair to @David., even though I disagree with him, I don't think he is saying trade Kyrie because he's overrated/sucks/ball-dominant, etc. He's saying that Kyrie's poor defense necessitates playing a strong defensive wing next to him against teams with two fast guards. Because Shump is effectively worthless out there, that makes Kyrie's D an increasing liability. Now, I could be wrong, and someone should feel free to correct me.

Maybe I'm naive, but I still think we should see how everything works the rest of the playoffs. I am pretty much 100% opposed to trading Kyrie, and frankly always have been, but David's point is a fair one. In my view, if this really does become an issue, Cavs need to acquire a true "3+D" wing this offseason. I would love a guy like Ariza. If Miami/whatever team we face in the finals uses two quick perimeter players to hurt us on defense, then I think that should be the way forward, but again, I understand where David is coming from.

 

[The Oi]

So had that play not been at the last second, do we think Kyrie's slap gets called?

Not to say I feel bad about it. The fact that Drummond got NOTHING for punching LeBron in the jugular reprieved us from feeling any kind of guilt whatsoever over potential last second superstar (non)-calls.

And PS LeBron got very few of them.

 

[Huber.]

Another great thread by Stark.

@NoTitleTown with the assist.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

So had that play not been at the last second, do we think Kyrie's slap gets called?

Not to say I feel bad about it. The fact that Drummond got NOTHING for punching LeBron in the jugular reprieved us from feeling any kind of guilt whatsoever over potential last second superstar (non)-calls.

And PS LeBron got very few of them.

I think it was smart situational basketball by Kyrie.

The very previous play Kyrie was guarded in the same manner. If that last play was a foul so was the one prior. I think Kyrie took what he received on the other end and then dished it out himself.

 

[spydy13]

Guys to be fair to @David., even though I disagree with him, I don't think he is saying trade Kyrie because he's overrated/sucks/ball-dominant, etc. He's saying that Kyrie's poor defense necessitates playing a strong defensive wing next to him against teams with two fast guards. Because Shump is effectively worthless out there, that makes Kyrie's D an increasing liability. Now, I could be wrong, and someone should feel free to correct me.

Maybe I'm naive, but I still think we should see how everything works the rest of the playoffs. I am pretty much 100% opposed to trading Kyrie, and frankly always have been, but David's point is a fair one. In my view, if this really does become an issue, Cavs need to acquire a true "3+D" wing this offseason. I would love a guy like Ariza. If Miami/whatever team we face in the finals uses two quick perimeter players to hurt us on defense, then I think that should be the way forward, but again, I understand where David is coming from.

The most frustrating thing about Kyrie's defense is that he proved on that last play that he can play really solid defense when he wants, meaning that it's all about effort.

This playoff run will hopefully show that as the opponents get tougher or the situation calls for it we see more effort on that end of the floor from Kyrie, but I guess only time will tell.

 

[Tlyons]

Pope and Jackson hand checked the fuck out of Irving all game.