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Regrade the finalized trade

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KI4MVP said:
One more thing to add to the point I'm trying to make. The explosive scoring of the other two guys you listed is a better comparison for Kyrie and where his career is heading than Paul is.
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As a pure scorer, I honestly think Kyrie might be as gifted as we've seen in this league since Kobe Bryant. At least for the perimeter scorers.

That might sound like a hyperbole, but, I just can't think of anyone in the league that has the skillset he displays offensively. Others put up bigger numbers, there are guys more explosive like a Westbrook, Curry is a better shooter. But skillset, I can't think of one that's clearly superior to Kyrie's.

Especially considering he does it without getting to the line nearly as much as the likes of the other elite scorers.

That's why I do think, he will one day lead the league in scoring eventually, hell maybe even next year, and should do it at the same efficient clip as he's doing now.

He can flat out score the basketball. There's no debating this. And in that regard, Paul doesn't come close to matching Kyrie.

For the record, I love scorers. I really do. I think it's the most important aspect IMO. Other things are important factors, but elite scores just don't have any limits in this regard. Even defense, you're still relied on others to some degree.
 
If Kyrie got to the line like Thomas, he'd be averaging 29 a game. Thomas nearly doubles him in free throw attempts.

If he got to the line the way Westbrook does, he'd be at 31 a game.

Averaging 25 a game with under 5 free throw attempts, while doing it so efficiently, is well, pretty unheard of for someone Kyrie's size.

That to me just demonstrates he really might be the best isolation scorer we have in the game right now.

EDIT: Outside of Kevin Durant anyways. Durant doesn't have Kyrie beat skill wise, he just has him beat with height and athleticism.
 
blommen said:
I honestly think a lot of the Guards we are seeing today have a shot at becoming all-time greats. Iron sharpens iron, and with the way the rules have opened up the opportunity for perimeter play and dominance I think we could be looking at this period as the golden age of PG's in a decades time, the same way the 90's are considered the golden age of big men.
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Agreed, but hard for anyone to be above Magic might be better than Jordan if Jordan wasn't somehow even elevated more than he should (people act like he never missed a last second shot for example)

And Oscar might be right there at 2 even with this group.

But the guy that said a 24 year old Kyrie or a Westbrook could finish ahead of Isiah or CP3 is 100% correct, depends how their careers pan out.
 
godfather said:
As a pure scorer, I honestly think Kyrie might be as gifted as we've seen in this league since Kobe Bryant. At least for the perimeter scorers.

That might sound like a hyperbole, but, I just can't think of anyone in the league that has the skillset he displays offensively. Others put up bigger numbers, there are guys more explosive like a Westbrook, Curry is a better shooter. But skillset, I can't think of one that's clearly superior to Kyrie's.

Especially considering he does it without getting to the line nearly as much as the likes of the other elite scorers.

That's why I do think, he will one day lead the league in scoring eventually, hell maybe even next year, and should do it at the same efficient clip as he's doing now.

He can flat out score the basketball. There's no debating this. And in that regard, Paul doesn't come close to matching Kyrie.

For the record, I love scorers. I really do. I think it's the most important aspect IMO. Other things are important factors, but elite scores just don't have any limits in this regard. Even defense, you're still relied on others to some degree.
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I know I am biased, but Kyrie might be a better pure scorer than even Kobe, best pure scorer since Jordan when career ends.

He is a better shooter than kobe and as nasty as they get to the hole. Only thing kobe has is a bit more size and athletic ability, but with Kyrie's handles, he is just sick.

Kobe is a career 44% shooter and 33% from 3. Kyrie is 46% and 38% and will get a bit better career wise in both.

People confuse shooting more for better scorer, lol.
 
Lee said:
I know I am biased, but Kyrie might be a better pure scorer than even Kobe, best pure scorer since Jordan when career ends.

He is a better shooter than kobe and as nasty as they get to the hole. Only thing kobe has is a bit more size and athletic ability, but with Kyrie's handles, he is just sick.

Kobe is a career 44% shooter and 33% from 3. Kyrie is 46% and 38% and will get a bit better career wise in both.

People confuse shooting more for better scorer, lol.
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To me the best pure scorer since Jordan is easily Kevin Durant. He is efficient, can score in just about every way, is too tall to have his shot blocked, and unlike Kyrie he can get to the line consistently (which does matter).

But man is Kyrie talented. Never seen a little guy so consistently hit fadeaways over taller guys. That's to say nothing of his incredible handles (GOAT handles) and layup finishing ability.

Wanna know an amazing Kyrie stat? He shoots 48% on mid range jumpers which is a ridiculous percentage when you consider that only about 20% of those jumpers are assisted. This guy basically creates mid range jumpers himself and converts them at a 48% clip. That's just incredible.
 
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ACisKING said:
To me the best pure scorer since Jordan is easily Kevin Durant. He is efficient, can score in just about every way, is too tall to have his shot blocked, and unlike Kyrie he can get to the line consistently (which does matter).
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Durant's only advantage is height and athleticism. At an actual skillset, I don't think he has any advantage at all over Kyrie.

Kyrie's not as big as Durant obviously, and that favors Durant.

But Kyrie can easily shake away anyone with his dribble and still create separation. So Kyrie doesn't have an height advantage, he's so great at creating space from his misdirection dribbling skills. I've never seen anyone that can confuse an entire defense the way he does. I actually think Kyrie might be the most difficult guard in the NBA.

He can just misdirection an entire defense with ease with his dribbling skills. It's why teams often sometimes just trap him at the top of the key, even with LB on the team. There's just no way to really gameplan over Kyrie unless you just trap him, and force him to pass out of it.


The problem with Kyrie not getting the line a lot is he doesn't have the pure speed/athleticism like some players like Westbrook or Wall, he doesn't try to power his way throw defenders like a LeBron.

He doesn't openly flop for calls like a Thomas, Harden, and Lowry.

Kyrie's great asset is his probably his worst flaw, ironically (not really his fault).

He's so great at knifing through defenders, and he can do it anytime he wants, because Kyrie's main objective is always to score, not to play for fouls, and often times still gets contact in these instances but it's not as noticeable to the officials and doesn't get call.

I don't think it's disrespect necessarily, I think he's actually hard to officiate at times.

Kyrie also doesn't churp much into the refs ears, which I think does have some factor into getting calls too.
 
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Feel like if we're talking pure scorers, you guys are forgetting about AI.
 
CosmoKramer said:
Happy Birthday Kyrie, who turns 25 today.

Fun fact: Kyrie and Magic Johnson are the only 2 guards in NBA history to have 4+ All-Star selections and a championship ring by 25.

Pretty fucking amazing.
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What about Kobe
 
Happy Birthday to Uncle Drew!! 25 years old with so many accomplishments under his belt is insane.

Skill-set:

(1) Finishes with his left jumping off either leg, finishes with his right jumping off either leg
(2) Best glass game in the league, the english he puts on the ball is second to none. Among the best finishers in the paint even though he wasn't blessed with elite athleticism and height.
(3) Handles and crossovers are already legendary (this almost overshadows the above)
(4) Shooting ability extending beyond 3 point line while putting on a dribbling clinic is insane and shows dedication and practice he put in with coach Handy.
(5) Refined Kobe like post game (posting up bigger players sometimes which is insane). Not sure where he hides that strength because he doesn't look like a physically imposing player.
(6) The dedication, passion, and love for the game is obvious to see which is great. He is 2nd best in the league at putting the ball in the bucket behind Durant (height being the main difference IMO).

Hopefully many more team accomplishments are on the way!
 
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