Leadership Specialist Tyrod Taylor

[natedagg]

Just ask buffalo if they want a do over with the trade. Allen sucks anyway.

We get a compensatory pick somehow if he isn’t on the team next year? Like a 3rd rounder?

 

[MirORich]

We get a compensatory pick somehow if he isn’t on the team next year? Like a 3rd rounder?

He’d have to be signed to a fairly large deal to qualify for a high(3rd or 4th) comp pick. Not impossible given the state of QB play around the league but sort of unlikely too based on how bad to below average he played in his 10 quarters as a Brown so far.

 

[Soda]

Call me crazy, but does anyone else think Tyrod really didn't get hurt?

Exiting the game early and replaced with Baker, because of injury and not his play, does sure look a lot better for both the front office and Tyrod.

Faking an injury? The guy who acted like he wasn't hurt to get back into a pre-season game?

No.

Tyrod wasn't leaving the game unless it was 100% necessary. Baker right behind him and he was playing hard to get a contract this coming offseason.

 

[buzzdog]

Call me crazy, but does anyone else think Tyrod really didn't get hurt?

Exiting the game early and replaced with Baker, because of injury and not his play, does sure look a lot better for both the front office and Tyrod.

That thought actually crossed my mind. Tyrod was totally impotent and helpless, and I think he knew it. Him seeming to blame Calloway for not making the catch on the bomb when Tyrod under threw him by 10 yards was pretty bullshit.

I don't think he totally faked anything, I think he probably did bang his head off the turf. But I don't think he was hell bent on getting back out there either. I think he sees the writing on the wall, and Baker nailed the door shut for any possibility of Tyrod remaining the starter.

 

[prf100]

Taylor wasn't faking anything. He was getting beat up (mostly due to his inability to pull the trigger), and then he smashed his head on the ground. C'mon guys.

 

[buzzdog]

Taylor wasn't faking anything. He was getting beat up (mostly due to his inability to pull the trigger), and then he smashed his head on the ground. C'mon guys.

I don't think he faked anything. But I also don't think his heart was totally in it either. He looked kind of defeated, and he brings a lot of the physical punishment on to himself by the way he plays and by the decisions he makes.

 

[prf100]

I don't think he faked anything. But I also don't think his heart was totally in it either. He looked kind of defeated, and he brings a lot of the physical punishment on to himself by the way he plays and by the decisions he makes.

Ahh, agreed.

 

[buzzdog]

So I'm in Ohio this weekend and I turned on some of the local Browns Sunday pregame shows to see what they're saying. The first thing I hear is a former player making excuses for Tyrod and minimizing Mayfield's performance by saying the reason there was so much difference between the two was because they "shortened up the routes" for Baker, and if they would have done the same thing for Tyrod he would have done better. Nobody pushed back on these excuses.

I said "bullshit", and I changed the channel.

Baker's first throws were more down the field than anything Tyrod does except for the bomb attempts. What a load of shit, ignores the facts that Mayfield simply sees the field better, he's quicker getting to the back of his drop, quicker at making a decision and pulling the trigger, he has the balls and the arm to throw into tight windows that Tyrod lacks. Baker has twice the velocity and spin on the ball and it gets to the target much quicker, and he's twice as accurate. He throws with anticipation and he throws receivers open, which is something Tyrod never does. Baker also has better pocket awareness and he moves into open space while still looking to throw downfield more often where Tyrod is more likely to run himself into a sack unless he gets enough open space to utilize his forward foot speed.

<Exhales>...Have I left anything out?

 

[Jordan]

So I'm in Ohio this weekend and I turned on some of the local Browns Sunday pregame shows to see what they're saying. The first thing I hear is a former player making excuses for Tyrod and minimizing Mayfield's performance by saying the reason there was so much difference between the two was because they "shortened up the routes" for Baker, and if they would have done the same thing for Tyrod he would have done better. Nobody pushed back on these excuses.

I said "bullshit", and I changed the channel.

Baker's first throws were more down the field than anything Tyrod does except for the bomb attempts. What a load of shit, ignores the facts that Mayfield simply sees the field better, he's quicker getting to the back of his drop, quicker at making a decision and pulling the trigger, he has the balls and the arm to throw into tight windows that Tyrod lacks. Baker has twice the velocity and spin on the ball and it gets to the target much quicker, and he's twice as accurate. He throws with anticipation and he throws receivers open, which is something Tyrod never does. Baker also has better pocket awareness and he moves into open space while still looking to throw downfield more often where Tyrod is more likely to run himself into a sack unless he gets enough open space to utilize his forward foot speed.

<Exhales>...Have I left anything out?

I agree with you, but...

They did remove the zone-read plays that Tyrod was running. Now, a guy like Tyrod should have no problem with zone reads, but that theoretically could be what this former player was referring.

Anyways, I am interested in if Hayley will add any RPOs to the playbook against Oakland... Baker is made for those types of plays.

Unlike read options, rather than having two/three run plays with no pass options, RPOs encompass run and pass options. Hyde and Chubb both excelled at these plays in college (and Hyde was good last season with them too), and I imagine Duke would be huge.

Still, I was surprised by us not using RPOs with Tyrod... Or at least not a lot of them. Does someone who knows more about football dynamics have an answer? I felt they could have used them like the Eagles did with Foles.

 

[FiveThous]

So I'm in Ohio this weekend and I turned on some of the local Browns Sunday pregame shows to see what they're saying. The first thing I hear is a former player making excuses for Tyrod and minimizing Mayfield's performance by saying the reason there was so much difference between the two was because they "shortened up the routes" for Baker, and if they would have done the same thing for Tyrod he would have done better. Nobody pushed back on these excuses.

I said "bullshit", and I changed the channel.

Baker's first throws were more down the field than anything Tyrod does except for the bomb attempts. What a load of shit, ignores the facts that Mayfield simply sees the field better, he's quicker getting to the back of his drop, quicker at making a decision and pulling the trigger, he has the balls and the arm to throw into tight windows that Tyrod lacks. Baker has twice the velocity and spin on the ball and it gets to the target much quicker, and he's twice as accurate. He throws with anticipation and he throws receivers open, which is something Tyrod never does. Baker also has better pocket awareness and he moves into open space while still looking to throw downfield more often where Tyrod is more likely to run himself into a sack unless he gets enough open space to utilize his forward foot speed.

<Exhales>...Have I left anything out?

The NFL usually favors vets instead of talent, it's silly.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I agree with you, but...

They did remove the zone-read plays that Tyrod was running. Now, a guy like Tyrod should have no problem with zone reads, but that theoretically could be what this former player was referring.

But weren't those zone reads some of Taylor's most successful plays?

Removing zone reads running plays -- which were some of Taylor's more successful plays anyway - wouldn't explain why Taylor wasn't having success when he was throwing the ball.

He was just missing open guys.

 

[Jordan]

But weren't those zone reads some of Taylor's most successful plays?

Removing zone reads running plays -- which were some of Taylor's more successful plays anyway - wouldn't explain why Taylor wasn't having success when he was throwing the ball.

He was just missing open guys.

Right, kind of my point...

 

[inliner311]

We get a compensatory pick somehow if he isn’t on the team next year? Like a 3rd rounder?

I wonder if we will be willing to trade him. The 49ers might need a QB.

 

[MirORich]

I wonder if we will be willing to trade him. The 49ers might need a QB.

Say you got a 5th back for him.
That would somewhat mitigate the loss of the 3rd you gave up for him.
Shanahan is a guy comfortable working with and adapting to all styles of QBs.

The 49ers would lose a lot in rollover cap though towards their next years cap number.

 

[inliner311]

Say you got a 5th back for him.
That would somewhat mitigate the loss of the 3rd you gave up for him.
Shanahan is a guy comfortable working with and adapting to all styles of QBs.

The 49ers would lose a lot in rollover cap though towards their next years cap number.

Couldn't we eat alot of that salary in the deal?