Let it all out. The Cavaliers Rant Thread

[chuck0609]

By acquiring well known bench guys and leaving Lue with 2 viable starters on a contending team in LeBron and Love. You think the lemonade is so spectacular, please tell me who would start on Houston or GS. If you can’t answer this youre admitting Lue only has 2 starting caliber players. And I’m not defending Lue either, it’s just the reality .

Young talented inexperienced guys ?? Where have you been ? They are all vets with experience just so happens none are viable starters .

Who’s are these other viable players they could have signed? All the available trades were basically out there to see. Reality vs your fantasy.

Clarkson, Nance and Hood are all young, Inexperienced guy, as well as Cedi and Zizic.

Again you’ve presented no other options from what was available.

 

[CTownSportsFan]

Who’s are these other viable players they could have signed? All the available trades were basically out there to see. Reality vs your fantasy.

Clarkson, Nance and Hood are all young, Inexperienced guy, as well as Cedi and Zizic.

Again you’ve presented no other options from what was available.

How do you know what was out there ??? You don’t so please stop with your non sense . Done debating with a brick wall.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Kobe tried the same shit and people said the same shit and he had 10x more leverage. You're just as bad hoping shit will stick, guess what it’s all sliding down diarrhea style

Yeah, you're right. He wouldn't have sat out the whole season. He'd have played, and then sometime in March, his knee would have started bothering him (yet again), and he'd have had this surgery. So, we wouldn't have him for this playoff run anyway.

 

[CTownSportsFan]

Kyrie also was injury-prone when we traded him, and in fact was unable to play this post-season. Had we not traded him, we'd not only be without a PG, but also without the other players we obtained, and without the Net's pick. People scoffed at the leaked threat from Kyrie to sit out because of his knee, but as it turns out, it was not an idle threat.

Altman was handed a shit sandwich when he took over. Very limited moveable assets, except for his second best player demanding to be traded only after all the major player movement during/after the draft. The best time to have moved Kyrie was sometimes in June -- either before or on draft night. That's on Griffin, not Altman, that it didn't happen.

By the time Koby became GM on July 24, Jimmie Butler (June 24), Paul George (July 6), Dwight Howard (June 20), Deangelo Russell (June 20), etc., were all done deals with their new teams. We had zero salary cap space to sign any free agents of significance even if there had been any major ones still on the market.

Can’t have it both ways , if he threatened to have surgery , he would have been ready by all star break. The same scenerio wouldn’t have played out .

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

How do you know what was out there ??? You don’t so please stop with your non sense . Done debating with a brick wall.

1) Look, if you're the guy saying "he should have gotten better players", it is up to you to prove 1) "what was out there" and 2) who was "out there" that was actually gettable by the Cavs based on the assets with which we had to work.

I listed above the major trades that were all completed weeks before Altman took over. Exactly who is it you think Altman should have acquired who a team was actually willing to trade?

 

[CTownSportsFan]

Yeah, you're right. He wouldn't have sat out the whole season. He'd have played, and then sometime in March, his knee would have started bothering him (yet again), and he'd have had this surgery. So, we wouldn't have him for this playoff run anyway.

Nope , the argument is he would of had surgery before training camp and more than likely his issues wouldn’t have been as bad either without playing on it for half a season .

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Can’t have it both ways , if he threatened to have surgery , he would have been ready by all star break. The same scenerio wouldn’t have played out .

1) You're assuming he'd have actually gone through with that threat and had surgery earlier in the year. He may not have, and just decided to play through it this year. In which case, it would eventually have sidelined him this spring, just as it did with Boston.

2) Nobody knows how well he is going to come back from this surgery.

Plus, as usually, you ducked the part of the post that directly addressed your claim that Altman should have done better. I pointed out all the player movement that happened before Altman became GM, and why that should be on Griffin rather than Altman. You simply ignored the point.

 

[CTownSportsFan]

1) Look, if you're the guy saying "he should have gotten better players", it is up to you to prove 1) "what was out there" and 2) who was "out there" that was actually gettable by the Cavs based on the assets with which we had to work.

I listed above the major trades that were all completed weeks before Altman took over. Exactly who is it you think Altman should have acquired who a team was actually willing to trade?

I said NOT trade him at all, he was locked in for 2 seasons . Worst case trade him at the deadline or the off season . Altman choose the ultra worse case which shouldn’t even have been an option unless we were getting another all f’n star in return , not garbage and injured players and a wing n prayer draft pick which doesn’t help us this year because the fucker sat on it at the all star break. The whole idea was to flip it for a viable starter

 

[BrutX15]

One player we could have had is Deandre. I mean it's only a player that fills this forums biggest complaint. Love playing at C.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I said NOT trade him at all, he was locked in for 2 seasons .

1) The 2016-17 version of the Cavs were beaten fairly easily by GSW. In 2017-18, key roleplayers like TT and JR were appreciably worse than they were last seasons. There is no way that just keeping the band together was going to be enough anyway

2) You keep assuming that KI would have had his surgery immediately, returned, and been a good, healthy soldier through a playoff run. That is a huge assumption - he could just as easily have pulled a Kawhi Leonard, at which point Altman would have been blasted for not moving him earlier.

 

[CTownSportsFan]

1) You're assuming he'd have actually gone through with that threat and had surgery earlier in the year. He may not have, and just decided to play through it this year. In which case, it would eventually have sidelined him this spring, just as it did with Boston.

2) Nobody knows how well he is going to come back from this surgery.

Plus, as usually, you ducked the part of the post that directly addressed your claim that Altman should have done better. I pointed out all the player movement that happened before Altman became GM, and why that should be on Griffin rather than Altman. You simply ignored the point.

Hell NO, if a guy threatened to have surgery you tell him to have surgery . You don’t okay him at that point , he must have surgery . It’s doesnt matter, the garbage we received in return could of been had without trading Irving . Nobody wanted those misfit castoffs

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

One player we could have had is Deandre. I mean it's only a player that fills this forums biggest complaint. Love playing at C.

We tried to get Deandre. It was going to cost us Jae Crowder, Channing Frye, Iman Shumpert and the Nets pick, but Altman was willing to do it. The problem is that the Clippers weren't willing to take the shitty salary filler we had to include in the deal - Shumpert in particular.

It should be pointed out that had the Clippers done that deal, we would have lacked the assets that brought us Clarkson and Nance, so we wouldn't have gotten either of them, nor would we have gotten George Hill because Crowder was instrumental in that deal. That means our point guard would still have been Isaiah Thomas, Deandre would be a free agent after this season, and we wouldn't have the Nets pick. I'm not at all sure that's a better situation than the one we are in right now.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Hell NO, if a guy threatened to have surgery you tell him to have surgery.

You do understand that you can't make a guy have surgery, right? And you also didn't address the Kawhi Leonard factor.

It’s doesnt matter, the garbage we received in return could of been had without trading Irving . Nobody wanted those misfit castoffs

So you're saying that nobody in the entire league wanted Thomas, Crowder, Zizic, or the Nets pick? Right....

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

In terms of evaluating our return from the deadline trades, can anyone here think of a player that has come to this team and performed better under Tyrone Lue than they did under their prior team? Because it's pretty easy for me to think of guys that have come here and gotten worse.

And before that blame gets shifted to LBJ, I'd argue that the players we acquired in January 2015 -- Moz, JR, and Shump -- all played better here than they did with their prior teams. Blatt also managed to take an undrafted free agent in Delly, and turn him into a significant contributor.

I see nothing comparable from Lue. Just about everyone we acquire from the outside seems to do worse when they get here, or at best, hold their own. That makes it virtually impossible to fairly evaluate the deals Altman made. As I said before, if your chef can't cook, it doesn't matter how good the ingredients are.

 

[bleachkit]

Why didn't JR pass it to Clarkston at the end? Wipe open three. Selfish dumbass.