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NBA's Top 20 Players Right Now

Discussion in 'Around The NBA' started by Randolphkeys, Dec 22, 2016.

  1. RG

    RG Champion

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    Good bump @The Wizard of Moz .

    It's hilarious seeing the posts in this thread and comparing them to the posts of the last few days in S34.

    Emotions/feelings should not affect how one evaluates a player, but it very clearly does for many.
     
  2. godfather

    godfather Hall-of-Famer

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    I'd definitely change this. A lot of guys don't even belong. Aldridge sucks. I had Kyrie way too high. Guys like Jokic and Gobert improved in ways I didn't see.

    Okay, I was bias. I had Love higher than PG. That was too high, also.

    1.) LeBron
    2.) Kevin Durant
    3.) Kawhi Leonard
    4.) Steph Curry
    5.) Anthony Davis
    6.) Chris Paul
    7.) Russell Westbrook
    8.) Greek Freak
    9.) James Harden
    10.) Jimmy Butler
    11.) Paul George
    12.) Karl Anthony Towns
    13.) Rudy Gobert
    14.) Nikola Jokic
    15.) Kyrie Irving
    16.) John Wall
    17.) Kevin Love
    18.) Demarcus Cousins
    19.) Kyle Lowry
    20.) Damien Lillard
     
  3. Lee

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    Someone on here had an idea that we over valued Kyrie.

    Still a great player, but i think some had him near top 5.
     
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  4. godfather

    godfather Hall-of-Famer

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    I had him in the top-10, that was crazy. I think he's definitely a top-20 though. I got him top-15.

    I don't know why I put DeRozan in my top-20. He's overrated as fuck, IMO.
     
  5. Rich

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    I meant to do this after the playoffs, taking into account what we saw. Biggest change for me is Kawhi. Think he's in Tier 1 and the 2nd best player.

    Tier 1: 1) LeBron James 2) Kawhi Leonard

    Tier 2: 3) Russell Westbrook 4) Kevin Durant 5) James Harden 6) Steph Curry 7) Anthony Davis

    I think those 7 players are clearly the best 7 players in the league, and there's a sizeable gap between them and everyone else. These are what I'd call the 7 franchise players. The guys you trade literally every player on your roster for and however many picks it takes. True number 1s on a championship team. Giannis probably cracks into that group next season.

    Tier 3: 8) Giannis 9) Jimmy Butler 10) Chris Paul

    Tier 4: 11) Paul George 12) John Wall 13) Kyrie Irving 14) Draymond Green

    Tier 5: 15) Gordon Hayward 16) Karl Towns 17) Rudy Gobert 18) Klay Thompson

    Tier 6: 19) Kevin Love 20) Damian Lillard

    Jokic is gonna be in there. Just want to see more of him.
     
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  6. The Red Viper

    The Red Viper Derrick, Rose.

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    My Updated Top-20 NBA Players List:-

    Tier 1:- 1. LeBron James.
    Tier 2:- 2. Kawhi Leonard, 3. Kevin Durant.
    Tier 3:- 4. Steph Curry, 5. Russell Westbrook, 6. James Harden.
    Tier 4:- 7. Anthony Davis, 8. Chris Paul, 9. Giannis Antetokounmpo.
    Tier 5:- 10. Jimmy Butler, 11. John Wall, 12. Paul George.
    Tier 6:- 13. Kyrie Irving, 14. Karl Anthony Towns.
    Tier 7:- 16. Nikola Jokic, 17. Klay Thompson, 18. Damian Lillard.
    Tier 8:- 19. Draymond Green, 20. Kevin Love.


    This was my original list:-

    Tier 1:- LeBron James.
    Tier 2:- Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis.
    Tier 3:- Kawhi Leonard, Chris Paul, Steph Curry, James Harden, Russell Westbrook.
    Tier 4:- Paul George, Marc Gasol, Kyrie Irving, Jimmy Butler, Damian Lillard.
    Tier 5:- Klay Thompson, DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin.
    Tier 6:- Draymond Green, DeMar DeRozan.

    Hadn't included the likes of KAT, Giannis, Embiid and Porzingis etc!
     
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  7. Rich

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    I feel like I'm still being a little homerish. If someone asked me if I'd trade Irving for Hayward or Draymond straight up, I'd do it.

    Same with Love, though it's harder to gauge if a player like DMC is better than him. One guy plays the third wheel and the other guy has spent his whole career being the only offensive factor on his team.
     
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  8. PIP

    PIP DRose > Everyone Staff Member Moderator

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    I love Leonard's game but I have no idea why I go back and forth on him being the 2nd best player and like the 7th best player?
     
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  9. Randolphkeys

    Randolphkeys Admittedly Pompous Staff Member Administrator

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    I have Kawhi locked into #2, but he doesn't have the ball in his hands as much as the other mainstays of the top 5. I think he gives up a lot of his individual stats to have the offense as a whole flow well. He's the defensive MVP of the league in my book.

    It's been about a season and a half since these lists we're initially made, so it's fair that some players would go up or down in that time. A lot can happen in two postseasons.
     
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    The Red Viper Derrick, Rose.

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    Probably down to him playing for the greatest NBA coach ever?
     
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    I actually really like your list. I would swap Durant and Leonard, and would put Jokic a little lower but that's a damn good list.
     
  12. godfather

    godfather Hall-of-Famer

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    Just asking why some have Kyrie over KAT still?

    The dude is definitely without question better than Kyrie right now. The fact he's just 21 years of age, and already fucking better is insane to me.

    I'd take KAT over Anthony Davis. Not being better right now, but going forward.

    I wouldn't trade him for a single player in the league for him. No one. He's already the best center in the league.

    Just 21. That's scary as fuck.
     
  13. Randolphkeys

    Randolphkeys Admittedly Pompous Staff Member Administrator

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    He is still in the phase of his career where he has proven he can put up big numbers while losing games as a team. Kyrie was doing that four seasons ago, but won gold with the Olympics and went to three meaningful finals since... even if he has his short comings. It's a question of time for KAT, but assess him on what he has done not what he might do in the future.
     
  14. godfather

    godfather Hall-of-Famer

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    But KAT is playing as the best player on his team. Kyrie isn't.

    Kyrie as the best player, or hell, even leading a unit when LeBron is sitting. He's still not really shown he can do a whole lot.

    I am assessing on what he's done. And he definitely is better than Kyrie after the season he had.

    If we traded KAT and Kyrie. KAT would be going to the finals and Kyrie wouldn't.

    This was Kyrie's best season, and KAT was still better than him. In every category. Even KAT's value over replacement higher than Kyrie.

    KAT as an offensive player was actually better, while also making a much better contribution by far in other areas that Kyrie doesn't.

    It actually wasn't even close. If you compare them side-by-side in every measurement KAT has him beat.

    The only difference is one plays on a much more talented team.
     
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    Stark Best in the Land

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    NC = No Change in Ranking
    NA = Weren't on list before
    1. LeBron James (NC)
    2. Kawhi Leonard (+3)
    3. Kevin Durant (-1)
    4. Anthony Davis (-1)
    5. Russell Westbrook (-1)
    6. James Harden (NC)
    7. Stephen Curry (NC)
    8. John Wall (+11)
    9. Giannis Antetokounmpo (NC)
    10. Chris Paul (-2)
    11. Jimmy Butler (-1)
    12. Karl-Anthony Towns (+4)
    13. DeMarcus Cousins (-1)
    14. Paul George (NC)
    15. Kyrie Irving (-4)
    16. Damian Lillard (-3)
    17. Rudy Gobert (NA)
    18. Draymond Green (-3)
    19. Marc Gasol (-4)
    20. Kevin Love (-2)
    21. Klay Thompson (-1)
    22. Blake Griffin (-5)
    23. Nikola Jokic (NA)
    24. Isaiah Thomas (NA)
    25. Gordon Hayward (-2)
    Biggest Rise: John Wall (+11)
    Biggest Fall: Blake Griffin (-5)
    New Faces: Rudy Gobert, Nikola Jokic, Isaiah Thomas
    Kicked Out: Demar DeRozan, LaMarcus Aldridge, Carmelo Anthony
    Just Missed: DeAndre Jordan
     

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