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NBA's Top 20 Players Right Now

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Oof, not gonna knock you because everybody is entitled to their opinion, but a few comments on my end:
  1. Durant #7? Curry #10?
  2. Drummond 8th ahead of Curry, Embiid, Towns, CP3, Jokic, Zinger, etc.???
  3. I appreciate the Lillard love; he's underrated on most lists.
Thank you for the response . I notice my list hedges towards some players who don’t have more impactful players on their team. Detroit for example would be a top 3 seed in the draft lottery without Drummond. Curry and Durant get somewhat blurred as they can differ to each other as well as Thompson and to some extent Green . Towns I don’t get to see much but it seems he has to many stat less nights . CP3 moved up , I’m just not sold on his true value but he’s been a monster for the most past this year , the old CP3 before the injury . Good reason Olapido is so high is he’s proving he can carry a team which has been amazing to say the least , biggest surprise of the year in my opinion .
 
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Harden
Westbrook
Durant
Giannis
Curry
Davis
Leonard
George
Lillard
Irving
Cousins
Towns
Embiid
DeRozan
Wall
Jokic
Butler
Thompson
Paul

Griffin
McCollum
Simmons
Beal
Mitchell (This dude is scary)
 

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Sorry I had to edit that post.. Tho I know Mr.October frowns upon it...
 
Omg Pip you fucked yourself with that edit.

AZ has got enough proof on the Kiddo case to ban you right now. Cya brother.
 
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Aldridge getting way, waaaay too much love here. Hes not even close to a better player than Gobert.

Sir dom use your damn synergy stats to get people to start showing Gobert some love
 
Aldridge getting way, waaaay too much love here. Hes not even close to a better player than Gobert.

Sir dom use your damn synergy stats to get people to start showing Gobert some love

I will let everyone live in their fantasy world in this thread. But once you step out of here I'll be there waiting.
 
Aldridge is putting up impressive numbers. He has been special on the offensive glass while shooting with efficiency. However, much of that is a result of stepping up with Kawhi out. I'm not going to call Dinwiddie a top fifty player in the NBA when he's the focus of a lesser offense. I'm also not calling Aldridge a top twenty player when he's getting the same stats bump by attrition.
 
Aldridge has been tough, although I do think I might've screwed Rudy over in my list a bit.
 
Ok so I wanted to redo now that we have a playoffs to look at. How you perform in the post-season should matter quite a bit.

I'm not gonna include guys who spent most of the season hurt. So no Kawhi or Hayward. Too hard to figure out where they rank, especially Hayward who I felt had a top 20 season last season, but it was by far his best season. So hard to know at this point if that was a slight outlier or what.

1. LeBron

2. Anthony Davis

3. Kevin Durant

4. Giannis. I was very close to to putting Giannis 3, Durant is great but people can't pretend the fact that he gets single coverage the entire game because of who is on his team doesn't matter. Giannis doesn't get that. Davis doesn't get that. LeBron definitely doesn't get that. And all the shit Giannis got for not getting out of the 1st round doesn't seem so bad now, does it? He was awesome against the Celtics

5. Chris Paul. Better than Harden this post-season imo. Definitely better in the GS series. Makes an impact defensively that neither Harden nor Curry make. That's true for all of the guys in the top 5. They defend at high levels (at least when needed, in LeBron's case)

6. James Harden

7. Stephen Curry

8. Russell Westbrook. Takes a big hit this year. Talent was upgraded but his team wasn't any better for it. Lost in the 1st round to a Utah team led by a rookie.

9. Jimmy Butler

10. Joel Embiid. Needs to have better offensive efficiency, but his defensive impact is 2nd to none, and compared to guys like Gobert and Capela, he's far more offensively talented.

11. Nikola Jokic. This might be high, but I feel he's the most offensively gifted center in the league

12. Victor Oladipo. Just flat out looked like a better player than Paul George. Had the Cavs not fucked off all year and ended up with the 4th seed, the Pacers have a good shot at getting out of round 1 against Philly or Toronto

13. Kyrie Irving

14. DeMarcus Cousins. Verrry much struggling with this one, considering how his team looked w/o him. But I'll be generous and give it another year

15. Draymond Green

16. Clint Capela. Best roll man in the league. Best center at defending on the switch in the league. Outplayed Towns and Gobert in back to back series.

17. Karl Anthony-Towns

18. Damian Lillard. Reallllly struggling with this one too. Was completely shut down by Jrue HOliday in 4 straight games. Was very temped to jump Holiday into the top 20, but that seems hasty.

19. Paul George. Falls down the list substantially. Was put on a good team with a great player and just failed to make a major impact all season long. His offense is overrated, particularly when he creates instead of catches and shoots.

20. Klay Thompson

Guys who feel robbed: Al Horford, John Wall, DeMarr DeRozan, Kristaps Porzingis, Rudy Gobert, Ben Simmons. Al Horford is the one I struggle with the most. He's been awesome this post-season, particularly defensively. I feel like he probably deserves it more than Lillard, but I can't ignore the years of evidence of Lillard being a more impactful player.
 
Ok so I wanted to redo now that we have a playoffs to look at. How you perform in the post-season should matter quite a bit.

I'm not gonna include guys who spent most of the season hurt. So no Kawhi or Hayward. Too hard to figure out where they rank, especially Hayward who I felt had a top 20 season last season, but it was by far his best season. So hard to know at this point if that was a slight outlier or what.

1. LeBron

2. Anthony Davis

3. Kevin Durant

4. Giannis. I was very close to to putting Giannis 3, Durant is great but people can't pretend the fact that he gets single coverage the entire game because of who is on his team doesn't matter. Giannis doesn't get that. Davis doesn't get that. LeBron definitely doesn't get that. And all the shit Giannis got for not getting out of the 1st round doesn't seem so bad now, does it? He was awesome against the Celtics

5. Chris Paul. Better than Harden this post-season imo. Definitely better in the GS series. Makes an impact defensively that neither Harden nor Curry make. That's true for all of the guys in the top 5. They defend at high levels (at least when needed, in LeBron's case)

6. James Harden

7. Stephen Curry

8. Russell Westbrook. Takes a big hit this year. Talent was upgraded but his team wasn't any better for it. Lost in the 1st round to a Utah team led by a rookie.

9. Jimmy Butler

10. Joel Embiid. Needs to have better offensive efficiency, but his defensive impact is 2nd to none, and compared to guys like Gobert and Capela, he's far more offensively talented.

11. Nikola Jokic. This might be high, but I feel he's the most offensively gifted center in the league

12. Victor Oladipo. Just flat out looked like a better player than Paul George. Had the Cavs not fucked off all year and ended up with the 4th seed, the Pacers have a good shot at getting out of round 1 against Philly or Toronto

13. Kyrie Irving

14. DeMarcus Cousins. Verrry much struggling with this one, considering how his team looked w/o him. But I'll be generous and give it another year

15. Draymond Green

16. Clint Capela. Best roll man in the league. Best center at defending on the switch in the league. Outplayed Towns and Gobert in back to back series.

17. Karl Anthony-Towns

18. Damian Lillard. Reallllly struggling with this one too. Was completely shut down by Jrue HOliday in 4 straight games. Was very temped to jump Holiday into the top 20, but that seems hasty.

19. Paul George. Falls down the list substantially. Was put on a good team with a great player and just failed to make a major impact all season long. His offense is overrated, particularly when he creates instead of catches and shoots.

20. Klay Thompson

Guys who feel robbed: Al Horford, John Wall, DeMarr DeRozan, Kristaps Porzingis, Rudy Gobert, Ben Simmons. Al Horford is the one I struggle with the most. He's been awesome this post-season, particularly defensively. I feel like he probably deserves it more than Lillard, but I can't ignore the years of evidence of Lillard being a more impactful player.

Postseason-wise, I'd put Al Horford above Towns right now. Towns is a sieve on defense and Horford is the engine that has the Celtics a game away from the NBA finals.

I was thinking of making my list up soon as well, but I agree with pretty much everything else. Love the love for CP3.
 
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Just can’t agree with durant over Curry

For 2 seasons now the on/off data has shown that Curry is the one that makes that team

Durant was and is significantly more inefficient when he doesn’t have Curry

Curry doesn’t need Durant... like at all
 
Just can’t agree with durant over Curry

For 2 seasons now the on/off data has shown that Curry is the one that makes that team

Durant was and is significantly more inefficient when he doesn’t have Curry

Curry doesn’t need Durant... like at all

But then I watch Durant take over a game as a rim defender while Houston targets Curry relentlessly.

Offensively, Curry makes the bigger impact. But he's also prone to getting outplayed by opposing PGs in the playoffs. That generally never happens to Durant.
 
This makes no sense. He only got outplayed by Irving when we won the title. He badly outplayed Westbrook a few years ago, then did outplay Irving last year.

And if that's your take, yet you have a Harden ahead of him. A guy known to just flat out SUCK period in the playoffs!

You're completely contradicting yourself. Your list and reasoning makes no sense at all.
 

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