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That and they took liberties with characters.

For example: Renly is an asshole in the books.

But they made him all likable to further Brienne's characterization.

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He kinda was an asshole on the show. Just a different kinda asshole. ;)
 
That and they took liberties with characters.

For example: Renly is an asshole in the books.

But they made him all likable to further Brienne's characterization.

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I thought show Renly was pretty consistent with book Renly. There were a few poorly-written scenes that were added for show purposes, but his scenes from the book are pretty much identical.
 
I don't blame Stannis having him killed. Renly was denying Stannis his rightful claim. So Renly betrayed Stannis first. And was participating in treason.

I know killing your brother seems brutal. But they were at war. And Renly was trying to steal the throne from his older brother.

Was Stannis supposed to just roll over, and say okay?

Even if Renly was this "nice guy". Claims got to mean something. Otherwise you just open yourself up to constant rebellion, if they don't matter at all

Ned had the right intentions and understood that. Even if he made some foolish choices that got him killed.

Like believing Littlefinger.
 
I'm not happy with what D&D did, but GRRM deserves at least 75% of the blame for this. D&D are likely angry at him and feel that he hung them out to dry. The truth is that he did, and I'd be pissed as well if I were them.

When this whole series was being discussed and greenlighted, D&D -- and later the actors -- signed on for seven seasons, one for each book in the projected series. They did that based on the belief that would be plenty of time to tell this story the right way, and that belief was based on in-depth conversations D&D had with GRRM. The only guy who could possibly have known that it would take more than seven seasons -- GRRM -- was fine with that plan. So everyone went into it with the expectation -- memorialized by contract -- that they were signing up for no more than seven seasons. Those initial discussions all happened in 2006-07, and HBO formally bought it in 2008.

D&D also were told, by GRRM, that they'd be adapting his novels for each season, so they'd have all that source material and wouldn't be writing from scratch. He'd also write at least one episode per season. The projection that they'd be responsible for writing an adaptation directly impacted their projected workload, and the creative demands on them to complete this massive and complex story in a satisfactory manner. The most recent novel then published was 2005's A Feast For Crows, and they were assured by GRRM that he'd finish the series in time.

GRRM is an incredible writer, and the story he created is amazingly complex. The only person truly capable of finishing that story and keeping it the same high quality was him. D&D were not able to do that, and they knew it, which is why they were adapting his story rather than writing their own original one in the first place. The funny thing is that GRRM said he'd never pull a Robert Jordan, and have someone else finish his story if he couldn't. Well...guess what?

We all know what happened -- or rather, what didn't happen. Since the publication of A Feast For Crows in 2005, and through the entirety of the development, shooting, and broadcasting of the series, GRRM completed exactly one of the three books remaining to be written. One book in 14 years. And GRRM hasn't even finished one book -- not one -- since the series premiered in 2011 (he turned in the manuscript for ADWD before the first episode of the show premiered). So, the roadmap D&D were promised by GRRM to finish the show in seven seasons ended long before the finish, and the story GRRM had agreed could be told well in 7 season ballooned well beyond that. D&D were now expected to take over the creative process entirely, writing a series whose complexity and literary quality were beyond their (or anyone else other than GRRM's) capabilities.

So now, GRRM is out there saying that he's "sad" at the way the series is enging, and it really should have gone 11, 12, or 13 seasons to be told the right way. Seriously?? I can pretty much hear D&D saying "if that fat fuck had told us at the outset that we needed that much time to tell the story the "right way", we wouldn't have signed on, we couldn't have gotten that big a commitment from the actors either, and HBO would never have agreed." And they'd be right. I recall there being issues years ago with the actors' contracts when they were trying to go beyond seven seasons because the actors weren't signed to it. The idea that it should go to 10 seasons or something...D&D didn't sign up for that, and neither did the actors.

So yeah, D&D have been little bitches and done a crappy job since the books ran out. But in their defense, they were never supposed to be in this position in the first place, and the only reason they're in this position is because GRRM failed to come through on his commitments to them, and because he screwed up in his representation that the series could be done properly in just 7 seasons.

This could explain there's some serious conflict between GRRM and D&D..

@Rich theory they decided to take a dump on this isn't that crazy. We've seen writers do this before in protest of either a network, or fans.

David Chase took a big middle finger to the fans with his stupid final episode of Sopranos.

Just decided to troll at the fans that bitched his final season stunk.

Maybe this was D&D's big middle finger to GRRM.

Not saying I believe its deliberate. Personally, I think they lost interest.
 
I thought show Renly was pretty consistent with book Renly. There were a few poorly-written scenes that were added for show purposes, but his scenes from the book are pretty much identical.
I think the only difference was that people loved Renly in the book. Jovial and acted like everyone’s best friend.

Show Renly was still mostly likeable but was more cocky than affable.
 
This could explain there's some serious conflict between GRRM and D&D..

@Rich theory they decided to take a dump on this isn't that crazy. We've seen writers do this before in protest of either a network, or fans.

David Chase took a big middle finger to the fans with his stupid final episode of Sopranos.

Just decided to troll at the fans that bitched his final season stunk.

Maybe this was D&D's big middle finger to GRRM.

Not saying I believe its deliberate. Personally, I think they lost interest.

I think it's kind of a mix. They didn't have any interest in taking it beyond season seven, or even having to write episodes from scratch period. Then, they were sufficiently pissed at GRRM for putting them in that position that they could justify to themselves saying "fuck it, it's not our fault", and not doing the work necessary to end it properly.
 
I think it's kind of a mix. They didn't have any interest in taking it beyond season seven, or even having to write episodes from scratch period. Then, they were sufficiently pissed at GRRM for putting them in that position that they could justify to themselves saying "fuck it, it's not our fault", and not doing the work necessary to end it properly.

BTW I'm not saying RR isn't to blame is. HE CLEARLY IS, since Game of Thrones doesn't truly go without him. I don't fault D&D for that. Like you said, they only wanted to go 7.

And they just don't care anymore and it shows. I'm pissed about that. Everything prior to this season I'm not pissed at D&D about. A little about season 7 because again, they just are trying to speed rush this conclusion and move on.

This season is a fucking farce. And their lack of effort and devotion couldn't be more obvious. I don't care how much time they've been on set.

They've mailed it in and just want it to be done. And that's such a shame.

And people signing petition to re-do the season? LOL Come on.... They just got to come to grasp this is it. There are no books, what is there to redo? They're not redoing it. We'll just have to read the books, if RR ever actually finishes them.
 
Why am I reading so many theories Jaime is actually alive? This is just silly. I know D&D don't care about anything and almost anything is possible, but this seems like such a stretch.

Never mind he took mortal wounds he wouldn't survive from. And an entire building collapsed down on him and Cersei. Sure, all those things could not mean dick at this point.

But, I thought it was pretty evident his last scene with Tyrion was "goodbye".

I don't mean "goodbye" because they didn't think they'll ever see each other again.

But "goodbye" for us the audience.
 
I think the only difference was that people loved Renly in the book. Jovial and acted like everyone’s best friend.

Show Renly was still mostly likeable but was more cocky than affable.

In the books Renly mocked Shireen for her disabilities.

Renly was more catty and vain in general.

Renly ordered that Stannis be executed if captured.
 
I thought Renly was one of the worst characters in the show, and is one of the worst characters in the books thus far. I haven't read through his entire arc yet, but he's pretty annoying.
 
Why am I reading so many theories Jaime is actually alive? This is just silly. I know D&D don't care about anything and almost anything is possible, but this seems like such a stretch.

Never mind he took mortal wounds he wouldn't survive from. And an entire building collapsed down on him and Cersei. Sure, all those things could not mean dick at this point.

But, I thought it was pretty evident his last scene with Tyrion was "goodbye".

I don't mean "goodbye" because they didn't think they'll ever see each other again.

But "goodbye" for us the audience.

He was stabbed twice in the side and seemed to be ok. If he can survive that, a few giants chunks of the Red Keep shouldn't do too much damage.
 
At this point I’m fully expecting Ned to still be alive. He was secretly a Faceless Man, and he’s actually been Dany this whole time.
 
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