On the state of mainstream rock and alternative rock

[Triple-S]

That's probably the best concert I've been to in my life and it happened in the year 2018. It's the newest iteration of rage and Linkin Park but modernized. I don't care that it's not mars volta.

I hope I didn't sound like a snob with that. The intent was to just point out people saying that stuff seem to want to blame Cobain for the fact that we no longer have say, Ratt or new iterations of Ratt.

It was more so a defense of the 90's Alternative movement as a whole.

To say it's "Kurt Cobain's fault!" as to why Rock Radio and MTV are decaying relics is a bit...foolish.

It's also insane to go Rock Radio/MTV = The State of rock music.

Rock music is doing fine all things considered.

 

[David.]

I hope I didn't sound like a snob with that. The intent was to just point out people saying that stuff seem to want to blame Cobain for the fact that we no longer have say, Ratt or new iterations of Ratt.

It was more so a defense of the 90's Alternative movement as a whole.

To say it's "Kurt Cobain's fault!" as to why Rock Radio and MTV are decaying relics is a bit...foolish.

The way I look at music is that it's just an ever evolving thing and it seems to be speeding up exponentially. Just how it is.

Its covering more ground now and a lot faster than ever. I feel like it took about a decade to transition from Grunge to nu metal an exploration of an entirely new style with the killers and now it's like every 6 months there's a new sound.

A few months ago this sondcloud music really started getting big and there were only a few people doing it. There are hundreds of kids that release music now that is derivative of what they heard a few months ago and it's already old. Old musicians make songs talking about how garbage it is and ts not going to be long before a new sound comes out. It's so quick to oversaturate the market.

Anyways, you have your fans of the old stuff,. You have the bands capitalizing on innovaters products and you have new innovaters trying to invent the next big thing.there really is something for everyone

 

[Triple-S]

I hope this isn't coming across as a "bitch" thread. It's really more of something to criticize and analyze certain elements of the music scene, while praising others.

I think the only things that truly bother me about this era of music would be Juice Wrld/Post Malone type of talents getting mainstream airplay and perhaps the fact that "active rock" stations in various markets have a 2005 era setlist.

But again, the former probably won't be around part a few months and the latter? I think will probably have to shift focus to survive.

With the Post Malone/Juice WRLD stuff? It's more so annoyance with them getting airplay/attention over many more interesting artists in the genres they claim to represent than the idea of they, themselves existing.

But as a fan of rock who dabbles in alternative/indie? I'm happy with the state it's in.

 

[Arketebel]

I hope this isn't coming across as a "bitch" thread. It's really more of something to criticize and analyze certain elements of the music scene, while praising others.

I think the only things that truly bother me about this era of music would be Juice Wrld/Post Malone type of talents getting mainstream airplay and perhaps the fact that "active rock" stations in various markets have a 2005 era setlist.

But again, the former probably won't be around part a few months and the latter? I think will probably have to shift focus to survive.

With the Post Malone/Juice WRLD stuff? It's more so annoyance with them getting airplay/attention over many more interesting artists in the genres they claim to represent than the idea of they, themselves existing.

But as a fan of rock who dabbles in alternative/indie? I'm happy with the state it's in.

This discussion is great. I was born in the 80's and was a 90's kid who listened to mostly pop. When I found Napster I latched onto the Seattle Scene. YouTube let me dig in further to find Mother Love Bone and Andrew Wood's earlier work with Malfunkshun, which sounded like over-the-top nonsense but gives a valid look into the early Grunge scene.

In the mid 2000's, the Killers helped bands like Spoon and Death Cab for Cutie reach a much larger listening audience even though they had been around for ~10 years.

Now streaming services have algorithms that recommend certain artists based on your listening history. Listening to Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Chvrches, Peter Gabriel, Imagine Dragons, and instrumental jazz on Spotify helped me find bands like Pinback and and artist like Joey Fehrenbach; people I would have never found on my own.

I agree that this accessibility to so much variety may make it difficult to have such a hard shift in rock music, and even more so in the direction of what genre will rule pop music. If mainstream/alternative rock comes back to be top, the genre will probably incorporate many types of music to make it sound less hard/extreme than Van Halen, Soundgarden, or even the Killers.

 

[Triple-S]

Anyone try watching MTV Classic?
I will say it's a bit of an odd fit at times due to the "mix" of videos they seem to toss into the mix.

I don't know if MTV realizes that the "Classic" years of it's network sort of stops around 1997 or so. Kinda didn't seemingly mesh well to have "She blinded me with Science" lead into "Slow motion" by "Juvenile" (someone who I had no idea even existed until the airing of the video)

I don't know what happened in the 2000s to hip hop but a lot of bad acts seemingly got plastered all over the place for whatever reason.

I'm a bit stunned no one has found a way to create some sort of "time warp" app that works worth a damn that could "simulate" certain years in music really.

 

[David.]

Anyone try watching MTV Classic?
I will say it's a bit of an odd fit at times due to the "mix" of videos they seem to toss into the mix.

I don't know if MTV realizes that the "Classic" years of it's network sort of stops around 1997 or so. Kinda didn't seemingly mesh well to have "She blinded me with Science" lead into "Slow motion" by "Juvenile" (someone who I had no idea even existed until the airing of the video)

I don't know what happened in the 2000s to hip hop but a lot of bad acts seemingly got plastered all over the place for whatever reason.

I'm a bit stunned no one has found a way to create some sort of "time warp" app that works worth a damn that could "simulate" certain years in music really.

There's always shit.

NY metal was shit. I love it though.

All this SoundCloud rap is absolute fucking garbage but it's everywhere

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

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[Triple-S]

There's always shit.

NY metal was shit. I love it though.

All this SoundCloud rap is absolute fucking garbage but it's everywhere

It's sort of expected though...I could remember flipping the stations and hearing things such as "Chicken Noodle Soup", "Chain Hang Low" and "Laffy Taffy" exist well before this wave of that sort of hip-hop.

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I feel a bit guilty because at times I find myself diving back into listening to "The Police", "Fleetwood Mac", "U2" and a few others.

It feels like when I do that I'm not appreciating more current rock enough. But at the same time? I find a lot of the acts I do hear on the alt./indie station here seem to be mimicking the sound of those acts.

 

[Triple-S]

I somewhat had some hope for Greta Van Fleet as a rock project.

However...something just didn't seem right with them. I somewhat noticed the same thing that was said by Mike Patton about "WolfMother" back in the day and it really did make sense.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKDvJTxZDbA


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B0QHAwtvbE


It feels...restrained.

The thing about Led Zeppelin as a group is how unrestrained they were during careers.

Plant had a great voice...and an insane stage presence.
Page was an inovative guitarist that stood out from quite a few people at the time when there were a lot of great guitar players
Bonham was...mad man on the drums.

This...just feels...very much like a band that would have came and gone in 1973 after a single hit.

Like...it feels bad compared to other groups that are trying for that blues-rock sound.

Hell I saw Jack White play at a baseball stadium in Tulsa. I have -no video- from it (one of the smartest policies is the "No cellphone policy. I applaud him for it)..but he had energy...a unique signature sound that were unmistakably his and overall was worth the 70 bucks I popped up on a GA ticket.

 

[David.]

I somewhat had some hope for Greta Van Fleet as a rock project.

However...something just didn't seem right with them. I somewhat noticed the same thing that was said by Mike Patton about "WolfMother" back in the day and it really did make sense.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKDvJTxZDbA


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B0QHAwtvbE


It feels...restrained.

The thing about Led Zeppelin as a group is how unrestrained they were during careers.

Plant had a great voice...and an insane stage presence.
Page was an inovative guitarist that stood out from quite a few people at the time when there were a lot of great guitar players
Bonham was...mad man on the drums.

This...just feels...very much like a band that would have came and gone in 1973 after a single hit.

Like...it feels bad compared to other groups that are trying for that blues-rock sound.

Hell I saw Jack White play at a baseball stadium in Tulsa. I have -no video- from it (one of the smartest policies is the "No cellphone policy. I applaud him for it)..but he had energy...a unique signature sound that were unmistakably his and overall was worth the 70 bucks I popped up on a GA ticket.

Its cringey.

Its a group of kids that are playing dress up. That outfit is straight fucking stupid.
The music is fine. It's not innovative but it doesn't have to be. There's a demo that will like it, but it isn't special music at all. And obviously not a great show

White Stripes had a full set on MTV and I stopped what I was doing and was glued for the entirety of it. Few other acts have done that for me. Amy winehouse, Marilyn Manson.

 

[Randolphkeys]

If you guys want to group think this away go ahead. Like Wolfmother, this isn't going to be a band that breaks new ground. At the same time it is obvious they will make a lot of money filling a void. Good for them. I honestly feel that void often.

Now I love Mike Patton. He is a Bay Area guy and I've seen some of his projects. Don't get too caught up with his hipster opinionations. His projects sound as good as Wolfmother on a few occasions, that's it. His projects on his 20s and 30s were wonderful though... some people don't like passing the torch.

While I'm writing, this is my favorite Beck song because it is a Prince rip off. Let's see how long it takes for this to become a Prince thread:

 

[Triple-S]

Its cringey.

Its a group of kids that are playing dress up. That outfit is straight fucking stupid.
The music is fine. It's not innovative but it doesn't have to be. There's a demo that will like it, but it isn't special music at all. And obviously not a great show

White Stripes had a full set on MTV and I stopped what I was doing and was glued for the entirety of it. Few other acts have done that for me. Amy winehouse, Marilyn Manson.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlGRW1H41ok


This is somewhat similiar to the show.

I think I kinda understand the demo you're alluding too. I'll call it the "Rocklahoma" demo.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr8rTlMt85M


"The same crowd that wants to see "Disturbed" ain't gonna want to see "Flora Cash" sadly..."

http://rocklahoma.com/lineup.html

I love 40 minutes from this now and even if offered free tickets? I would decline. That's how bad the line up is.

 

[David.]

If you guys want to group think this away go ahead. Like Wolfmother, this isn't going to be a band that breaks new ground. At the same time it is obvious they will make a lot of money filling a void. Good for them. I honestly feel that void often.

Now I love Mike Patton. He is a Bay Area guy and I've seen some of his projects. Don't get too caught up with his hipster opinionations. His projects sound as good as Wolfmother on a few occasions, that's it. His projects on his 20s and 30s were wonderful though... some people don't like passing the torch.

While I'm writing, this is my favorite Beck song because it is a Prince rip off. Let's see how long it takes for this to become a Prince thread:

Just because we agree doesn't mean it's group think.

Again their music is fine and it'll appeal to a demo. Patton thinks a little too highly of himself but he has done some really innovative stuff and his projects sound wildly different from e ah other. That isn't easy to pull off.

Beck is a fantastic musician. He lost me a couple albums ago but I'm gonna revisit and see what he's been up to

 

[David.]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlGRW1H41ok


This is somewhat similiar to the show.

I think I kinda understand the demo you're alluding too. I'll call it the "Rocklahoma" demo.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr8rTlMt85M


"The same crowd that wants to see "Disturbed" ain't gonna want to see "Flora Cash" sadly..."

http://rocklahoma.com/lineup.html

I love 40 minutes from this now and even if offered free tickets? I would decline. That's how bad the line up is.

i mean 8 wouldn't go to most shows. Very few acts translate into great shows.

This is just your run of the mill mid 2000s shit. Like that's Seether. Greta is going to be for people who liked 70s rock and it's just a deliberate rehash. More modern music is also completely derivative of other modern music, but this is just going to stand out that much more. Again, it's fine, the writing is better than average and good enough to warrant attention, but it isn't from my time and is goofy to me

I know I knocked the outfits, and they are absolutely fucking terrible, but I was just taking a stroll down memory lane and Marilyn manson, slipknot etc were just as fucking stupid.

For the record I would absolutely love anoth3r dumb ass band like limp bizkit to rehash that shit, I'm the demo. But like Mars Voltas new iteration of zep, other more clever and creative artists can come around an implement aspects of their influences without just biting the shit out of their style.

 

[Triple-S]

I know I knocked the outfits, and they are absolutely fucking terrible, but I was just taking a stroll down memory lane and Marilyn manson, slipknot etc were just as fucking stupid.

I think Manson was one of the last really intriguing rock acts in some ways.

His music sounds a bit better because it sounded like a 70s glam band with a bit of NIN and Pumpkins mixed in. Additionally? Had a few bits of social commentary thrown in. His performance of the "Beautiful People" to me was the last time I think Rock N'Roll was truly shocking in the tradition it once was.

I don't think he really does the Shock Rock act as much any more. Seems to play his stuff, dress relatively boring and have fun with his crowd.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCZWNGy1x7k


one last fun fact about Marilyn Manson btw.

View: https://twitter.com/GallesKraco3/status/1017973643593306117


Yes. He apparently liked the Browns as a kid.

With Greata Van Fleet? I was thinking more so that WRQK/WMMS would play them in the vain that they play a couple of cuts from random acts similiar to that. Kinda why I felt the "Rocklahoma" label would be apt because I could very well see them play such a show.

re: 70s rock fans.

It also feels like it would just be better to go listen to "Rumours", "Rocks", "Toys in the Attic", "Led Zeppelin IV", etc than to bother listening to this group .

To me they even somewhat fail on that level. I mean why listen to a cheap imitation when you can hear the real thing?