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Why the hell would the pistons do that awful

Why would anyone trade for Tristan, JR or Shump's contract in general? Might as well just not throw any trade ideas at all if that's all the garbage we have to work with.
 
Don't think Pistons would trade Bradley.

Wes Matthews though is someone we should target.

If we get Robin Lopez and Wes Matthews for TT, Shump, Zizic and Our Own 2018 Pick, it would be a good haul imo.

I think Bradley is primed to get over paid this summer and that's a reason Detroit might look to move him. I think Detroit took the bet to bring him in because it was a cheap trade and we're hoping he might break out with them. I don't think it has happened, he is putting up similar stats as the last couple years.

I don't think he is on the block and I don't think they will just give him away. I do think they will move him for a guy like Jordan Clarkson. A guy that might fit better and pair well with Reggie Jackson. Clarkson isn't on a bad contract and will look like a bargain compared to what Bradley will get this summer. If the Cavs provide the asset to do that with our draft pick and Lakers get the pick with an expiring, I think everyone ends up happy. Lakers just want to clear cap at this point.
 
Why would anyone trade for Tristan, JR or Shump's contract in general? Might as well just not throw any trade ideas at all if that's all the garbage we have to work with.

I think Shump is actually a fairly tradable asset at this point. His injury actually helped his trade value. Most teams that trade for him want him to pick up his player option because at 11 million he isn't a bad deal. He hasn't had a good contract year performance and will most likely give it another go next year.

I agree that JR is basically unmovable at this point unless we attach a draft pick to him. I always think TT is in the same boat but from everything I read teams still see value in him. I'd move him if that's still the case, he will become a dead asset as time goes on.
 
I think Shump is actually a fairly tradable asset at this point. His injury actually helped his trade value. Most teams that trade for him want him to pick up his player option because at 11 million he isn't a bad deal. He hasn't had a good contract year performance and will most likely give it another go next year.

I agree that JR is basically unmovable at this point unless we attach a draft pick to him. I always think TT is in the same boat but from everything I read teams still see value in him. I'd move him if that's still the case, he will become a dead asset as time goes on.

I think even though there is value for TT, we're over valuing him. The expectation for us is that with 16 million in Tristan's contract, we need a homerun trade. I don't know how many guys of value teams would realistically trade for him or who need his exact skills.

NOW, if he does show progression prior to the deadline we can assume his slump was injury based and that might increase his value.
 
Altman to GM X,,,"we like said player" (Bradley, Mathews, RLO,,,etc...)
GM X to Altman "In any deal we trade our player we want Cedi Osman in the deal"......
 
This team is 14 deep with rotation players but only 3 really are starting quality.

Agreed in general, but who is the third player who is starter quality for a playoff team? Are you talking about IT? Agree he is obviously starting quality when he is back up to last year's form but the jury is out on when / if that happens.

We do have some role players who could be fifth starters on just the right kind of good team -- TT on a team which was an offensive powerhouse and didn't need him on that end, and didn't need a rim protector, Green on a team that could absorb his occasional fuckups, etc. But none of them would be plus players overall as starters on a playoff team.

Once again: our ROSTER is defective. That is the fault of the front office and the organization, which has continually screwed up and made mediocre decision after mediocre decision over a period of years. From a short run perspective they did make some good decisions at times (as evidenced by a championship), but even those decisions did not pay off over the long run. Overall they have put us into a hole that it will be difficult to get out of. Blaming Lue and the like is missing the point.

Our ace in the hole is that we have Lebron and he needs less supplementary talent than other players do to make his team relevant. But in the era of the Warriors we do clearly need a roster upgrade. In terms of your proposed solution of trading depth for quality, unfortunately it is very difficult to package the kind of bench players we have in a major trade. The players on longer contracts are pretty clearly overpaid, and the vet min guys are people with little value (DRose, Calderon) or people we wouldn't want to let go (DWade, Green). Our trade sweeteners are Cedi and a first rounder, and we can't let those go without getting the perfect return.
 
Agreed in general, but who is the third player who is starter quality for a playoff team? Are you talking about IT? Agree he is obviously starting quality when he is back up to last year's form but the jury is out on when / if that happens.

We do have some role players who could be fifth starters on just the right kind of good team -- TT on a team which was an offensive powerhouse and didn't need him on that end, and didn't need a rim protector, Green on a team that could absorb his occasional fuckups, etc. But none of them would be plus players overall as starters on a playoff team.

Once again: our ROSTER is defective. That is the fault of the front office and the organization, which has continually screwed up and made mediocre decision after mediocre decision over a period of years. From a short run perspective they did make some good decisions at times (as evidenced by a championship), but even those decisions did not pay off over the long run. Overall they have put us into a hole that it will be difficult to get out of. Blaming Lue and the like is missing the point.

Our ace in the hole is that we have Lebron and he needs less supplementary talent than other players do to make his team relevant. But in the era of the Warriors we do clearly need a roster upgrade. In terms of your proposed solution of trading depth for quality, unfortunately it is very difficult to package the kind of bench players we have in a major trade. The players on longer contracts are pretty clearly overpaid, and the vet min guys are people with little value (DRose, Calderon) or people we wouldn't want to let go (DWade, Green). Our trade sweeteners are Cedi and a first rounder, and we can't let those go without getting the perfect return.

The only thing wrong with the roster is its old. Lebron has done more with less. beyond the effort, they are not playing as smart as they were. Lineups aren't right. Some of this is effort and some of it is coaching IMO.
 
Agreed in general, but who is the third player who is starter quality for a playoff team? Are you talking about IT? Agree he is obviously starting quality when he is back up to last year's form but the jury is out on when / if that happens.

We do have some role players who could be fifth starters on just the right kind of good team -- TT on a team which was an offensive powerhouse and didn't need him on that end, and didn't need a rim protector, Green on a team that could absorb his occasional fuckups, etc. But none of them would be plus players overall as starters on a playoff team.

Once again: our ROSTER is defective. That is the fault of the front office and the organization, which has continually screwed up and made mediocre decision after mediocre decision over a period of years. From a short run perspective they did make some good decisions at times (as evidenced by a championship), but even those decisions did not pay off over the long run. Overall they have put us into a hole that it will be difficult to get out of. Blaming Lue and the like is missing the point.

Our ace in the hole is that we have Lebron and he needs less supplementary talent than other players do to make his team relevant. But in the era of the Warriors we do clearly need a roster upgrade. In terms of your proposed solution of trading depth for quality, unfortunately it is very difficult to package the kind of bench players we have in a major trade. The players on longer contracts are pretty clearly overpaid, and the vet min guys are people with little value (DRose, Calderon) or people we wouldn't want to let go (DWade, Green). Our trade sweeteners are Cedi and a first rounder, and we can't let those go without getting the perfect return.

I actually think 4 guys you could send out for a team looking to improve their depth are Frye, Crowder, Korver, and Shump. All of them are on either expiring or team friendly deals. Calderon could be used as filler if need be. I know it's hard to do such deals in today's NBA but I think it's an option that needs to be explored. I just don't think Lue will be willing to make the hard choices to sit guys to pair down the rotation for the betterment of the team.
 
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I honestly think Cedi should start over JR and Green should start over Crowder. They at least have energy, run, and are aggressive.
 
I honestly think Cedi should start over JR and Green should start over Crowder. They at least have energy, run, and are aggressive.

And then what happens to the bench? It turns to complete shit?
 
And then what happens to the bench? It turns to complete shit?

I think Jae Crowder has a much better chance of getting something going against a second unit of another team. At the very least it would give him some much needed confidence.

Either way, mix something up at this point. Playing 3 on 5 every night is getting annoying.
 
I think Jae Crowder has a much better chance of getting something going against a second unit of another team. At the very least it would give him some much needed confidence.

Either way, mix something up at this point. Playing 3 on 5 every night is getting annoying.

Benching a guy doesn't give them confidence.

And consistently missing shots with nobody in the same zip code has nothing to do with the level of talent of the opponents on the floor.

He needs to just starting making shots regardless of who he is playing with or against. It's as simple as that.
 
I know this is random but I was just watching a bunch of stuff on YouTube about the 2016 Championship (I know, I know) today while sitting in bed sick as hell...but, where do we keep our Larry O'Brien Trophy?
 
Benching a guy doesn't give them confidence.

And consistently missing shots with nobody in the same zip code has nothing to do with the level of talent of the opponents on the floor.

He needs to just starting making shots regardless of who he is playing with or against. It's as simple as that.

We've given him the benefit of the doubt the entire year. If he doesn't start making shots soon it will be necessary to bench him (regardless if it hurts his ego). Give someone else a chance who can produce more.
 
We've given him the benefit of the doubt the entire year. If he doesn't start making shots soon it will be necessary to bench him (regardless if it hurts his ego). Give someone else a chance who can produce more.

I'm not opposed to benching him. The idea that making that move would help his confidence is crazy to me.

The primary problem to me is JR Smith and it's not particularly close.
 

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