Potential 2019 Head coaches for the Browns

[sportscoach]

If they can go get Flip to agree to come here, I'm all for it. Maybe Pete Carmichael should get his chance, I think that's a reasonable hire as well.

But Mike McCarthy is inherently familiar with this front office and how to win with good talent.

Aaron Rodgers doesn't become great without coaching, that is not how development works. So I'm less inclined to believe Mike McCarthy is the burden on GB that people say he is.

Installing him, and bringing in younger, innovative coordinators is a pretty good choice for this team as currently constructed.

I honestly have always had mixed reviews of McCarthy at the end of the day. My dad is a Green Bay fan and he very much dislikes McCarthy. I feel he wouldn't have as many wins without Rodgers and likely wouldn't be a coach in the league without him at the helm all of these years. When Brady goes down, Patriots still are a winning team, while when Rodgers goes down the Packers lose a lot. That to me shows either the GM or the Coach was crappy in Green Bay.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I honestly have always had mixed reviews of McCarthy at the end of the day. My dad is a Green Bay fan and he very much dislikes McCarthy. I feel he wouldn't have as many wins without Rodgers and likely wouldn't be a coach in the league without him at the helm all of these years. When Brady goes down, Patriots still are a winning team, while when Rodgers goes down the Packers lose a lot. That to me shows either the GM or the Coach was crappy in Green Bay.

Seems the general fan consensus on McCarthy is that he's not a very good coach. Just seems like the people here are already trying to talk themselves into him in case we end up hiring him.

 

[sportscoach]

Seems the general fan consensus on McCarthy is that he's not a very good coach. Just seems like the people here are already trying to talk themselves into him in case we end up hiring him.

He isn't a bad offensive coach, but he isn't great either at the end of the day. He has to have certain talents to win, but if he doesn't, he isn't a guy who can just make all his players abilities elevated like Billicheck can. To me a great coach can make it so he gets the best out of all his players, and he doesn't do that in my mind.

 

[Jack Brickman]

He isn't a bad offensive coach, but he isn't great either at the end of the day. He has to have certain talents to win, but if he doesn't, he isn't a guy who can just make all his players abilities elevated like Billicheck can. To me a great coach can make it so he gets the best out of all his players, and he doesn't do that in my mind.

Kind of like how it's clear to everyone except Mike McCarthy that Aaron Jones is the best back on the team? McCarthy's exactly the type of guy who would be giving Carlos Hyde twenty carries a game while he gives Chubb and Duke three each and we all sit here bitching about it.

 

[AZ_]

Kind of like how it's clear to everyone except Mike McCarthy that Aaron Jones is the best back on the team? McCarthy's exactly the type of guy who would be giving Carlos Hyde twenty carries a game while he gives Chubb and Duke three each and we all sit here bitching about it.

Yeah, it’s like that.

With the exception that Jones has led the team in carries by a wide margin for the last six weeks or so.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Yeah, it’s like that.

With the exception that Jones has led the team in carries by a wide margin for the last six weeks or so.

Aaron Rodgers has publicly complained that Jones this year that Jones hasn't been involved enough. I'm inclined to take his word for it over yours.

 

[Soda]

Well Hue is literally the worst Browns coach of all-time (and the worst in modern NFL history as well), so everyone is better than him.

 

[FrontPageNews]

He isn't a bad offensive coach, but he isn't great either at the end of the day. He has to have certain talents to win, but if he doesn't, he isn't a guy who can just make all his players abilities elevated like Billicheck can. To me a great coach can make it so he gets the best out of all his players, and he doesn't do that in my mind.

He’s a poor offensive coach. He’s running the same offense he was running 5 years ago. No adjusting no adapting. Just relying on Rodgers. He was good 5 years ago but not anymore.

 

[sportscoach]

He’s a poor offensive coach. He’s running the same offense he was running 5 years ago. No adjusting no adapting. Just relying on Rodgers. He was good 5 years ago but not anymore.

The offense was worse when he let other people run it.

 

[AH92]

I feel like Dirk Koetter would be the perfect guy for offensive coordinator. What he has done with Tampa Bays offense this year is pretty impressive. While the Bucs record may prove that he doesn't deserve a head coaching job, the production he has had out of his offenses over his entire career prove that he is one of the 10 best offensive coordinators currently in the league. Here is a quick rundown of what he has been able to do since he entered the league.

2007 - Jags - 7th in total yards
2008 -> 2011 - Jags avg of 21st in total yards - The Blaine Gabbert years
2012 - Falcons - 8th in total yards
2013 - Falcons - 14th in total yards
2014 - Falcons - 8th in total yards
2015 - Buccaneers - 5th in total yards
2016 - Buccaneers - 18th in total yards
2017 - Buccaneers - 9th in total yards
2018 - Buccaneers - 2nd in total yards - 32nd in giveaways which explains their record.

 

[Jack Brickman]

He’s a poor offensive coach. He’s running the same offense he was running 5 years ago. No adjusting no adapting. Just relying on Rodgers. He was good 5 years ago but not anymore.

He wasn't really good five years ago either.

Mike McCarthy is basically Mike Brown. He owes his coaching record to an all-time great he was lucky enough to coach. Take that all-time great away and he's just a guy. He's not coaching a bad team up.

 

[natedagg]

Matt Campbell is not going anywhere to be a coach in waiting nor should he.

You know him brah?

I get your point but he might see the transition years as best for his development. Might. I also don’t think Arians would be opposed, whether it is Campbell or someone else.

I just want to leverage the fact that Arians knows his shit and actually wants to be here. We can utilize him.

 

[AZ_]

You know him brah?

I get your point but he might see the transition years as best for his development. Might. I also don’t think Arians would be opposed, whether it is Campbell or someone else.

I just want to leverage the fact that Arians knows his shit and actually wants to be here. We can utilize him.

Yeah it’s never going to happen.

 

[natedagg]

Yeah it’s never going to happen.

So no good college OC or HC would ever transition to coach-in-waiting?

Heck, maybe they are giving HC duties and Arians is assistant HC.

 

[dark2332]

So no good college OC or HC would ever transition to coach-in-waiting?

Heck, maybe they are giving HC duties and Arians is assistant HC.

A really good college HC? Nope. Won’t happen.

Think about how few coach-in-waiting scenarios you’ve ever actually seen.

Then think about how many have actually been successful.

Then think about a top college HC leaving that high-paying job to go to the NFL to NOT be a HC.

It’s just not happening.

It’s very rare that teams even like to place a “coach in waiting” label on a guy.

Usually, if done, they do it for a rising guy who they’ve had in their organization and don’t want to lose.

It never happens for an outside hire.

If you want Arians, I agree. I love Bruce Arians.

You’d just have to hope that he brings a bright young QB coach with him that he takes under his wing to groom as an OC/HC over the next 4 or so years.

Then, we’d have to hope the timing works out because there’d be no actual agreement.