Potential Playoff Roster

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Tomlin didn't "step up" though.

He was his normal self. That's not stepping up. That is the entire point being made in this argument between D-Wreck and yourself that I just jumped in on.

Revisionist is acting like Tomlin was better than normal in the playoffs. He wasn't.

Call it what you want..."stepping up", "playing his normal self"...he won us Game 3 of the World Series. Whatever was required to get the job done, he did it.

This is one of the silliest internet "debates" I've ever been embroiled in. The guy who helped get us 1 step closer to our 1st MLB title in 68 years by "being his normal self" is getting shit on as opposed to the guy who was his "normal self" (headcase) and fucked us. I mean really, what are we talking about here?

 

[BimboColesHair]

Call it what you want..."stepping up", "playing his normal self"...he won us Game 3 of the World Series. Whatever was required to get the job done, he did it.

This is one of the silliest internet "debates" I've ever been embroiled in. The guy who helped get us 1 step closer to our 1st MLB title in 68 years by "being his normal self" is getting shit on as opposed to the guy who was his "normal self" (headcase) and fucked us. I mean really, what are we talking about here?

Literally no one is shitting on him.

Saying he wasn't anything special, or disagreeing with saying he stepped up in the post season isn't shitting on him. Wondering why his post season play is being treated as something special when he was his normal self isn't shitting on him.

Good lord man. Budge on your arguments once in a while, and actually read the opposing argument...see why you are on ignore...

 

[Derek]

How did Bauer fuck us? I'd say the offense scoring 3 runs combined in his two starts were more of a factor than the 5 total runs he gave up in the WS.

In game 4, and his relief appearance in game 7, I thought Bauer was throwing the ball as well as I've ever seen him throw it.

 

[sportscoach]

Call it what you want..."stepping up", "playing his normal self"...he won us Game 3 of the World Series. Whatever was required to get the job done, he did it.

This is one of the silliest internet "debates" I've ever been embroiled in. The guy who helped get us 1 step closer to our 1st MLB title in 68 years by "being his normal self" is getting shit on as opposed to the guy who was his "normal self" (headcase) and fucked us. I mean really, what are we talking about here?

Josh Tomlin being his normal self, meant he was pitching like he usually does and goes out and competes and tries his best to keep us in the ball game. He is a solid pitcher and one every team likes to have, so he did step up into the role he wouldn't have been if not for injuries. Some people on here do not like him (and some are sounding way to harsh towards him, which is what you are disagreeing with), but he is solid and does his job when asked of him. Now his start in the World Series, Naquin f'ed up and made a huge error that may have caused him to leave early in that game (aka at least in the second inning like he did).

The whole issue was the offense since at the end of the day, the offense failed the pitching plain and simple. It wasn't Bauer who can be an over thinker at times, but the offense needed a bit more life. Hence why we went out and got Encarncion this offseason and just acquired Jay Bruce to add more pop as well.

 

[AZ_]

Call it what you want..."stepping up", "playing his normal self"...he won us Game 3 of the World Series. Whatever was required to get the job done, he did it.

This is one of the silliest internet "debates" I've ever been embroiled in. The guy who helped get us 1 step closer to our 1st MLB title in 68 years by "being his normal self" is getting shit on as opposed to the guy who was his "normal self" (headcase) and fucked us. I mean really, what are we talking about here?

We're talking about you relying on how he was pitching last year to determine your thoughts on this year.

Would you like to talk about how this is illogical if you like, but it should be obvious.

 

[BimboColesHair]

How did Bauer fuck us? I'd say the offense scoring 3 runs combined in his two starts were more of a factor than the 5 total runs he gave up in the WS.

In game 4, and his relief appearance in game 7, I thought Bauer was throwing the ball as well as I've ever seen him throw it.

5 IP of 3 run ball is really fucking us.

2 IP of 6 run ball is a ok though, since he threw 4 scoreless innings in a game where he didn't factor in the decision at all (Andrew Miller won game 3).

 

[sportscoach]

Either way I really, really doubt a healthy Tomlin will be left of this playoff roster like some people say he will be. We need a long reliever out of the pen with experience in the playoffs. He usually does a solid job for us, and I am not sure why people believe he will be left off the roster if he is 100% and pitching well.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Saying he wasn't anything special, or disagreeing with saying he stepped up in the post season isn't shitting on him. Wondering why his post season play is being treated as something special when he was his normal self isn't shitting on him.

Being one's "normal self" and "stepping up" are one in the same to me if it means winning. Not shitting down your leg when the pressure is on is stepping up, in my definition (clearly yours differs.) If David Price was his normal self in the postseason his teams would fair a lot better.

Good lord man. Budge on your arguments once in a while, and actually read the opposing argument...see why you are on ignore...

I'm on ignore while you reply to me...makes a whole lot of sense. If you removed me to intrude on a discussion you acknowledged wasn't yours in the first place, I don't know what to tell ya. Put me back on, couldn't give 2 fucks.

How did Bauer fuck us?

Because the wheels fell off the bus at a time when the Cubs' bats were still dormant. Game 5 was ours for the taking...we had them on the ropes and they only emerged victorious because of Bauer's critical implosion in the third inning. We could have had that game and the series if he wasn't his "normal self" and got inside his own head. If he had kept control for just another inning the two runs we were able to manufacture likely would have been sufficient.

We're talking about you relying on how he was pitching last year to determine your thoughts on this year.

I'm not talking about that. At all. Merely defending a gutsy performance by a guy who played well above his head by picking his balls off the floor and rising to the challenge. But since we're on the subject, I'd put my faith in that guy again if circumstances dictated it.

 

[AZ_]

So gutsy, very IT factorish.

 

[Derek]

Let's add gutsy to the lexicon I was referring to earlier

Clearly this conversation is going nowhere if you're going to blame a 3-2 loss on the starting pitcher.

I thought Bauer pitched really well in that game, so trying to use that game as an example to degrade him is an easy way to get me to tune out.

I'll finish by saying this, if I thought Tomlin could repeat last year's postseason results, I'd want him in the rotation. I just don't think that success was/is sustainable. Clearly, his career numbers say it's not.

 

[sportscoach]

Let's add gutsy to the lexicon I was referring to earlier

Clearly this conversation is going nowhere if you're going to blame a 3-2 loss on the starting pitcher.

I thought Bauer pitched really well in that game, so trying to use that game as an example to degrade him is an easy way to get me to tune out.

I'll finish by saying this, if I thought Tomlin could repeat last year's postseason results, I'd want him in the rotation. I just don't think that success was/is sustainable. Clearly, his career numbers say it's not.

Honestly I disagree with Tomlin not being able to match what he did last season in the playoffs again this season, but that being said, Salazar and Carrasco overall are better pitchers than Bauer and Tomlin so they should be getting the vast majority of the starts with Kluber. Bauer or Tomlin may get one or two in the playoffs, but I believe Tomlin will be the guy who comes out of the pen to eat up innings if we end up behind in games early.

Though I do agree with you about Bauer since he gave up 3 runs which, 6 innings and 3 runs allowed is considered a quality start, so if you give up 3 or less in 6 innings or more and you lose the game, it is because of the hitters not being able to do their jobs not the pitchers fault. A starting pitcher (especially with our bullpen) should always win the game if he has a quality start for the most part.

 

[Derek]

@sportscoach I don't know how you can argue that his performance is repeatable given the BABIP luck, and rock bottom HR% he enjoyed last postseason.

 

[sportscoach]

@sportscoach I don't know how you can argue that his performance is repeatable given the BABIP luck, and rock bottom HR% he enjoyed last postseason.

Tomlin is Tomlin and has had about the same stats all his career for the most part. His FIP this season is way better than his ERA. His HR% is down this season and his strikeout rate is up as well. He doesn't walk guys and if you look before he got hurt, he was actually pitching really well. So putting up better numbers actually is quite possible if we get the Tomlin who pitched in July. Most of Tomlin's starts he never even gets to 100 pitches and usually is taken out about the 3rd time through, so putting up the same numbers again actually is quite possible. Also with the fact he normally doesn't go three times through a lineup, makes him the perfect long reliever for us in the playoffs rather than a starter. Look at the numbers again if you wish, he is a contact pitcher, so he is going to live and die by it and honestly its smarter to have Urshela out there on the days he pitches with Perez behind the plate (since he is a better pitch framer)

 

[Derek]

Tomlin is Tomlin and has had about the same stats all his career for the most part. His FIP this season is way better than his ERA. His HR% is down this season and his strikeout rate is up as well. He doesn't walk guys and if you look before he got hurt, he was actually pitching really well. So putting up better numbers actually is quite possible if we get the Tomlin who pitched in July. Most of Tomlin's starts he never even gets to 100 pitches and usually is taken out about the 3rd time through, so putting up the same numbers again actually is quite possible. Also with the fact he normally doesn't go three times through a lineup, makes him the perfect long reliever for us in the playoffs rather than a starter. Look at the numbers again if you wish, he is a contact pitcher, so he is going to live and die by it and honestly its smarter to have Urshela out there on the days he pitches with Perez behind the plate (since he is a better pitch framer)

I know what Tomlin's numbers are. His HR% last postseason was 3.4%. If you believe he can repeat that, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[sportscoach]

I know what Tomlin's numbers are. His HR% last postseason was 1.4%. If you believe he can repeat that, then I don't know what to tell you.

You never know with baseball, especially a short series like in the playoffs. I don't think he will stay that low, but I think he will have a solid post season overall at the end of the day.