Racial Tension in the U.S.

[MediumBaller]

Sure, but same standard for Trump, right? Look at the groups and people he associates with, see what that implies about his beliefs, and think about how his beliefs might affect his decision making.

I don't think Trump is an ideologue, so I don't think he really has any core beliefs. I think he's heavily influenced by the people he's around and the people who has his ear at a given time. So yeah, I agree that the same standard applies for Trump.

I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Trump as I was back during the election.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I just don't get what there is to be mad at in this instance. Nothing that was said was inflammatory, nor was it without merit.

To say it wasn't inflammatory is either ignorant, or dishonest. Regardless of the merits or what you believe personally, a retarded chimp would know that some other people would be very pissed off.

As to the merits, I personally don't believe for an instant that Trump is a white supremacist, though I absolutely believe he is a nationalist.

I personally tuned out of ESPN, including ESPN Cleveland, because of Jemele Hill. That was without ever having seen her on SC 6. Some radio interviews were enough for me. Don't miss either ESPN or her at this point.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Jemele Hill should've been fired a long time ago for her shitty sports commentary.

I just spent a few minutes looking through her Twitter and I only saw a few tweets that didn't have to do with race. She's obsessed.

She's obsessed with race and gender. I don't know whether ESPN supports that approach, or is simply afraid of the reaction if they were to do anything about it. Doesn't really matter which, I suppose.

 

[Sebastian]

You love Trump. You want to blow him in an NYC country club locker room that smells like Barbasol and rich people feet.

 

[AZ_]

Do you think that it's possible for a judge to be biased?

Trump isn't the most articulate person in the world so sometimes his overall point gets lost. In this case they boiled it down to "Trump said the judge can't do his job because he's Mexican" and ran with it.

You can't answer my questions.

Yes, Trump said the judge can't do his job because of his Hispanic heritage.

That is racist, openly racist.


You're arguing that...he was right?

Okay.

 

[AZ_]

Also part of LA raza. It's an absolutely ridiculous discussion.

What does this mean?

What has he done for La Raza that makes him incapable of doing his job?

 

[Wrathe]

You obviously have no way of proving this at this point.

Fox News, Breitbart and the conservative podcasts would absolutely have been at her throat.

But conservatives are outnumbered in the media and Trump is a lightning rod- often intentionally- so the bitchiness will continue.

Do you believe if Hillary would have won, we'd have seen the civil war like split we have now? Do you believe we'd have had the violent protests anywhere in the vicinity of the amount we've had since the election?

Sure, there'd be some political shots taken, but do you believe the country just wanted this level of escalation regardless of outcome, or is it because one particular side lost that you feel we see this?

 

[Wrathe]

To say it wasn't inflammatory is either ignorant, or dishonest. Regardless of the merits or what you believe personally, a retarded chimp would know that some other people would be very pissed off.

As to the merits, I personally don't believe for an instant that Trump is a white supremacist, though I absolutely believe he is a nationalist.

I personally tuned out of ESPN, including ESPN Cleveland, because of Jemele Hill. That was without ever having seen her on SC 6. Some radio interviews were enough for me. Don't miss either ESPN or her at this point.

Can't stand her, or the SC 6 format. It's awful.

 

[AZ_]

"Prove that Donald Trump is racist."

* Points to quote of him saying a Hispanic judge can't rule because he's Hispanic

"Yeah well he was right."


Pretty good summation of where we're at.

 

[Nathan S]

I don't think Trump is an ideologue, so I don't think he really has any core beliefs. I think he's heavily influenced by the people he's around and the people who has his ear at a given time. So yeah, I agree that the same standard applies for Trump.

I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Trump as I was back during the election.

I think that's a fair assessment (and I actually agree with you; I don't think Trump has a racist end-goal in mind like "real" white supremacists do). But I also see how some people can look at Trump's actions and the people around him and say "oh yeah, this is what a closet white supremacist would do."

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I think that's a fair assessment (and I actually agree with you; I don't think Trump has a racist end-goal in mind like "real" white supremacists do). But I also see how some people can look at Trump's actions and the people around him and say "oh yeah, this is what a closet white supremacist would do."

Every party/leader is supported by a variety of groups, from moderates to a fringe. Inferring that the leader identifies with a particular part of that coalition simply because that element supports some of what he/she does is illogical - he can't simultaneously agree with all of them, because they don't all agree with each other.

There undoubtedly were some radicals who supported Bernie with whom he didn't agree on some issues.

Farrakhan supports BLM, but that doesn't mean that everyone who supports BLM agrees with Farrakhan.

And just because white supremacists support limiting immigration does not make everyone else who supports limiting immigration a white supremacist.

Politics make strange bedfellows is always going to be true in a representative republic, especially in a two-party system.

 

[AZ_]

Every party/leader is supported by a variety of groups, from moderates to a fringe. Inferring that the leader identifies with a particular part of that coalition simply because that element supports some of what he/she does is illogical - he can't simultaneously agree with all of them, because they don't all agree with each other.

There undoubtedly were some radicals who supported Bernie with whom he didn't agree on some issues.

Farrakhan supports BLM, but that doesn't mean that everyone who supports BLM agrees with Farrakhan.

And just because white supremacists support limiting immigration does not make everyone else who supports limiting immigration a white supremacist.

Politics make strange bedfellows is always going to be true in a representative republic, especially in a two-party system.

Farrakhan couldn't get elected because he supports BLM.

Donald Trump emboldens racists and is revered for it by much of his base, he was elected President.

 

[Wrathe]

Every party/leader is supported by a variety of groups, from moderates to a fringe. Inferring that the leader identifies with a particular part of that coalition simply because that element supports some of what he/she does is illogical - he can't simultaneously agree with all of them, because they don't all agree with each other.

There undoubtedly were some radicals who supported Bernie with whom he didn't agree on some issues.

Farrakhan supports BLM, but that doesn't mean that everyone who supports BLM agrees with Farrakhan.

And just because white supremacists support limiting immigration does not make everyone else who supports limiting immigration a white supremacist.

Politics make strange bedfellows is always going to be true in a representative republic, especially in a two-party system.

I think all the attempts to link people to this group and that group are poor attempts at discrediting the messenger and not dealing w/ the message. I think it's weak, regardless of who's doing it.

Turned off by the lack of honesty and integrity in this "game" anymore.

 

[Nathan S]

Every party/leader is supported by a variety of groups, from moderates to a fringe. Inferring that the leader identifies with a particular part of that coalition simply because that element supports some of what he/she does is illogical - he can't simultaneously agree with all of them, because they don't all agree with each other.

There undoubtedly were some radicals who supported Bernie with whom he didn't agree on some issues.

Farrakhan supports BLM, but that doesn't mean that everyone who supports BLM agrees with Farrakhan.

And just because white supremacists support limiting immigration does not make everyone else who supports limiting immigration a white supremacist.

Politics make strange bedfellows is always going to be true in a representative republic, especially in a two-party system.

Trump is nominally "supported" by his whole party, but the perception (which may be accurate) is that he's still loyal to the alt-right base that played a big part in getting him through the primaries.

I don't think the majority of his voters in the primaries were white supremacist crazies, but with how close the race was, those crazies arguably tipped the scales by voting for him instead of, say, Ted Cruz. They also probably buy a lot of MAGA hats

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Trump is nominally "supported" by his whole party, but the perception (which may be accurate) is that he's still loyal to the alt-right base that played a big part in getting him through the primaries.

I don't think the majority of his voters in the primaries were white supremacist crazies, but with how close the race was, those crazies arguably tipped the scales by voting for him instead of, say, Ted Cruz.

I know a lot of folks in that Trump/Cruz battle, and they agreed on a lot of issues. The vast majority of those who liked Trump also liked Cruz, at least initially.

There were primarily two things that tipped Trump supporters always from Cruz, and race wasn't one of them. The first was that many of them simply had a greater affinity for a more blunt-spoken guy versus a guy who always sounds like a lawyer. They wanted someone willing to flip the bird and deliberately offend "the Establishment."

The second was that Trump was much more of a protectionist/economic nationalist. Cruz was more free trade. Cruz's initial support for TPA killed him with those folks. From what I saw/heard, that was the single biggest factor.