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Who Should Be Inducted from the 2019 Hall of Fame Ballot?


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I’ve come around on the PED guys beacause it’s truly impossible to distinguish between the users and the clean guys during that era especially when it seems likely that almost everybody was on something at some point.
 
Mariano Rivera (100%), Roy Halladay (85.4%), Edgar Martinez (85.4%), and Mike Mussina (76.7%) all got in.

Omar Vizquel (42.8%) and Manny Ramirez (22.8%) left off.

Guys like Michael Young, Lance Berkman, Miguel Tejada, Roy Oswalt, Jason Bay, and Vernon Wells all didn't get enough to stay on the ballot.

Travis Hafner did not get one vote, but Placido Polanco got two.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2019.shtml
 
I’ve come around on the PED guys beacause it’s truly impossible to distinguish between the users and the clean guys during that era especially when it seems likely that almost everybody was on something at some point.
Especially when so many athletes including #POSLBJ is on them.
 
I’m tired of the debate over Pete Rose, 100% over it.
Same with Bonds. I mean for fucks sake, look at what they did prior to their fuck ups. Jesus
Don't care about the steroids. Dude hit bombs.
 
random story to share. In 1997 McGuire gets traded to the cardinals and starts "dating" the sister of an employee that worked for my dad (7 person company). So when he told me I asked the guy to get me an autograph for christmas (it was around labor day).

So its the week school lets out for christmas (im 14 at the time) and i start going into my dads shop to help. I eventually get a chance to ask the guy about the ball, and if he got it.

"kid as soon as the season was over McGuire dumped her and went back to California"
 
I don’t know, I kind of feel bad for McGriff, played another season or two theoretically and he would have gotten in. He needed 7 more HRs to get to 500. (Which at the time was a big deal)
 
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Mariano Rivera (100%), Roy Halladay (85.4%), Edgar Martinez (85.4%), and Mike Mussina (76.7%) all got in.

Omar Vizquel (42.8%) and Manny Ramirez (22.8%) left off.

Guys like Michael Young, Lance Berkman, Miguel Tejada, Roy Oswalt, Jason Bay, and Vernon Wells all didn't get enough to stay on the ballot.

Travis Hafner did not get one vote, but Placido Polanco got two.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2019.shtml

Mariano absolutely deserved the 100%, but it is a travesty that Griffey Jr. didn’t get it a couple years ago.
 
Mariano absolutely deserved the 100%, but it is a travesty that Griffey Jr. didn’t get it a couple years ago.

What I've always heard is that there were a few old school voters who held on to the "nobody is better than Babe Ruth" credo, but they also hid behind the lack of transparency in voting. Now that votes are public and a few older voters are no longer involved, a lot of the old egos in the HOF process should no longer be an issue.

I still believe that if Tim Raines somehow got in, Visquel will eventually get in. His defense helped out everyone else in the Indians and Giants runs, and like Mazerowski he was the gold standard of his era defensively.
 
What I've always heard is that there were a few old school voters who held on to the "nobody is better than Babe Ruth" credo, but they also hid behind the lack of transparency in voting. Now that votes are public and a few older voters are no longer involved, a lot of the old egos in the HOF process should no longer be an issue.

I still believe that if Tim Raines somehow got in, Visquel will eventually get in. His defense helped out everyone else in the Indians and Giants runs, and like Mazerowski he was the gold standard of his era defensively.

baseball writers are the worst. Arrogant, all about the old school,. hypocrite, etc. Their stance on the steroid guys when the vast majority of the league were taking them including the ones getting in is just indefensible. I am glad the vote is transparent, they should have been called out for the assholes they are years ago.

Like why isn't Pete Rose in? Is it suddenly a morality vote? Was Ty Cobb moral? How about shoeless Joe Jackson? Come on, give it rest, its baseball, its a sport, not life or death.
 
What I've always heard is that there were a few old school voters who held on to the "nobody is better than Babe Ruth" credo, but they also hid behind the lack of transparency in voting. Now that votes are public and a few older voters are no longer involved, a lot of the old egos in the HOF process should no longer be an issue.

I still believe that if Tim Raines somehow got in, Visquel will eventually get in. His defense helped out everyone else in the Indians and Giants runs, and like Mazerowski he was the gold standard of his era defensively.


The guy that I think that was more comparable to Raines and who I think got hosed since he was just on the ballot once and got under 5% so was taken of would have to be Kenny Lofton. I think it debatable whether he should have gotten in in the past but with guys like Raines and Harold Baines having gotten in lately hopefully the veterans committee give Lofton the same look that they decided to give to Harold baines.
 
I love, love, love Kenny Lofton to death. One of my favorite Indians of all time, and I didn't even get to see him play in his prime.

I don't think he's a hall of famer. He's in that tier right below the low-tiered HOF guys in my eye. A really damn good ballplayer in his prime, but just not enough to get in.
 
@Stark
Lofton is more deserving of a hall of fame induction than Omar is :party smiley 004:

and it's not that close



Omar had one season where he was worth more than 3.4 fWAR, Lofton had ten, including five over 5

Lofton absolutely belongs in the hall, he's criminally overlooked. His numbers compare very favorably to Tim Raines, who is a very deserving member of the hall.
 
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@Stark
Lofton is more deserving of a hall of fame induction than Omar is :party smiley 004:

and it's not that close



Omar had one season where he was worth more than 3.4 fWAR, Lofton had ten, including five over 5

Lofton absolutely belongs in the hall, he's criminally overlooked. His numbers compare very favorably to Tim Raines, who is a very deserving member of the hall.

My two favorite players during the duration of the Indians run were Lofton and Omar. Kenny was a great player everywhere he played on offense and defense. I'll ask you this though:

Edgar Martinez was a DH and is in the HOF only for his offensive contributions. Is it really that far- fetched to say the statistically best shortstop of all time shouldn't get in for his defense alone? I think Omar will get in, and he helped himself by switching to the Giants at the end of his career. Voters in the AL and NL had the chance to watch his excellence defensively.
 
For what its worth, according to a former GM I talked with, a ton of the guys who were never homerun hitters were juicing for speed, health, and recovery from injury purposes. Now he never named names so I have no idea if Vizquel juiced, but its possible.

Also the number he threw out there was about 80% of baseball juiced. So if Josh is correct, and I have no reason to doubt a former GM, then there is no reason to keep anyone out for juicing as the vast majority of the league was taking some form of Peds….heck of allot more than just using anabolic steroids.

I have much less of a problem with guys who juiced for a comparatively short period to recover from an injury than with the guys taking anabolic steroids to add muscle mass just to mash HR's, or long-term for any reason. To me, the purpose of that was to get steal undeserved records from the guys who actually earned them.

Apart from the "justice" aspect of it - you cheated so you don't get in the HOF - I like the deterrent effect of the punishment lingering and constantly being a reminder to guys currently playing. That's really the issue with Rose to me. Yes, he "deserves" to be in. But I'd rather have the value that comes from screwing him over.
 
I have much less of a problem with guys who juiced for a comparatively short period to recover from an injury than with the guys taking anabolic steroids to add muscle mass just to mash HR's, or long-term for any reason. To me, the purpose of that was to get steal undeserved records from the guys who actually earned them.

Apart from the "justice" aspect of it - you cheated so you don't get in the HOF - I like the deterrent effect of the punishment lingering and constantly being a reminder to guys currently playing. That's really the issue with Rose to me. Yes, he "deserves" to be in. But I'd rather have the value that comes from screwing him over.

I really hate that baseball is really to blame as they knew what was going on but didn't test the athletes because they needed the home runs. It wasn't until they were forced to clean it up by the fans, media and even president that they did anything about it.

Want some one to blame for the steroid period? Blame the commissioner and the rest of the executives of baseball.
 

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