Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

[Triplethreat]

I prefer to deal with facts buddy boy, and this ain’t one

Look I said give him time to develop, but he is one of the very worst receivers in the NFL currently and he can’t continue to get as many snaps and targets as he has.

I don’t want this to be a development playground anymore. I want to win. Callaway is actively hurting that goal every week

Starting receivers or just receivers in general?

Hope you mean starters.

 

[Frank Stallone]

I prefer to deal with facts buddy boy, and this ain’t one

Look I said give him time to develop, but he is one of the very worst receivers in the NFL currently and he can’t continue to get as many snaps and targets as he has.

I don’t want this to be a development playground anymore. I want to win. Callaway is actively hurting that goal every week

This team isn’t meant to win this year, though, and you, and everyone, know that. The defense is overrated as hell. They couldn’t stop anything on the edge and got bludgeoned two weeks prior to the Chargers game. We have a shaky line and a depleted wide receiving corp. I guess we can all have our own view on the goal here, but I think most everyone game into the season hoping for 6-7 wins. I’m not going to hate on Callaway for that. He’s also far from the only issue and not one of the big reasons we’ve lost games, IMO.

Also, you can say facts here obviously because the facts are that his drops are brutal. But, big picture I have confidence based on the fact he has responded on the field each game with a catch later on. Did it on 3rd Down vs. NYJ, did it against the Saints and had a big play against the Raiders. Him not being a mental disaster is worth something to me.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

He has elite separation, the dude is a speedster, he just has some stuff to work on. The skills are there.

No, the athletic ability is there. It's the skills and perhaps other necessary talents that are missing. He's currently a shorter Braylon Edwards without the route-running ability. That's not a good player.

I think one of the most common mistakes -- maybe the most common mistake --fans make when evaluating players/prospects in the NFL and NBA is assuming that raw talent consists solely of athleticism, and that almost everyone has the ability to learn the necessary skills if they possess the athleticism and work ethic. "Just give him more time learning the position and he'll be great!"

The problem is that there are raw, essentially unchangeable aspects to "talent" that aren't athletic. Basic hand-eye coordination is one of them. Intelligence -- at least the kind of athletic intelligence that lets you process the field and the space/time/speed relationships of yourself and other players quickly -- is another. Some dudes are never going to have good hand eye coordination, and simply don't have the "feel" or athletic intelligence for the game. And they won't develop it no matter how long they play.

Some guys just catch everything that is thrown their way. They have an instinctive feel of how to wall off defenders from the catch, or how to run a route that maximizes the QB's window. That's how some slow, relatively unathletic guys can have very good careers in the NFL anyway. Of they at least have the ability to do it correctly after being told to do it. They just know that if you run a sideline route, you cannot be forced too close to the sideline or the throwing window will be non-existent. They know the "feel" of a zone, and when to sit in a hole in coverage. But some guys just don't. You can explain it to them 50 times, and they'll never truly "get it". But for the guys that do "get" it -- sure, there's a learning curve where they will get better at it over time. But you usually can see that they have those basic abilities pretty early on.

The thing is, those aren't just things that "gamers" do. You can demonstrate and polish those skills just as well in practice. And if you're not doing it there, there's no reason to assume you'll magically start doing it in games.

Granted, Calloway is young, and more importantly, we really have very few WR bodies anyway. But at least as of now, I don't think he's demonstrated either the skills or the talent for us to assume that it's just a matter of time until he corrects his flaws.

 

[Soda]

Starting receivers or just receivers in general?

Hope you mean starters.

He's ranked pretty low on the PFF list for guys who have played a decent number of snaps. That said, he's not the worst of the rookies and where he was picked being considered, he's not even one of the worst investments to date from the 2018 drafted WR pool. Pitt's James Washington and Dallas's Michael Gallup (3rd rounders) rank below Callaway on the season.

Callaway has a ways to go yet, but I expect some rust when going from a year of no weekends with games to going through a full preseason and 6 games in the NFL as a rook. If he continues to have issues with drops and tracking balls come this time next year, it'll be time to consider whether or not he'll realize his potential.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

He's ranked pretty low on the PFF list for guys who have played a decent number of snaps. That said, he's not the worst of the rookies and where he was picked being considered, he's not even one of the worst investments to date from the 2018 drafted WR pool. Pitt's James Washington and Dallas's Michael Gallup (3rd rounders) rank below Callaway on the season.

Callaway has a ways to go yet, but I expect some rust when going from a year of no weekends with games to going through a full preseason and 6 games in the NFL as a rook. If he continues to have issues with drops and tracking balls come this time next year, it'll be time to consider whether or not he'll realize his potential.

Given his history on and off the field I can't imagine he's going to have much of a leash. He better start to get things together asap or the Browns will be trading for and/or drafting his replacement in the offseason. They aren't going to wait long for the WR core under Baker's rookie deal.

 

[Triplethreat]

He's ranked pretty low on the PFF list for guys who have played a decent number of snaps. That said, he's not the worst of the rookies and where he was picked being considered, he's not even one of the worst investments to date from the 2018 drafted WR pool. Pitt's James Washington and Dallas's Michael Gallup (3rd rounders) rank below Callaway on the season.

Callaway has a ways to go yet, but I expect some rust when going from a year of no weekends with games to going through a full preseason and 6 games in the NFL as a rook. If he continues to have issues with drops and tracking balls come this time next year, it'll be time to consider whether or not he'll realize his potential.

Just get this man on the fucking JUGS machine for 2 hours a day.

 

[Triplethreat]

Also we’re talking about a rookie WR here. They usually don’t hit their stride in the NFL until 2 or 3 years in. Not a position you typically start and get heavy PT early on in your career.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Also we’re talking about a rookie WR here. They usually don’t hit their stride in the NFL until 2 or 3 years in. Not a position you typically start and get heavy PT early on in your career.

So this was true 5 years ago. Can anyone show that this is still true? There have been several drafts in recent memory where rookie Wide receivers have absolutely taken over.

futhermore, a friend of mine gave an interesting stat (not sure where he got it). Apparently WRs drafted in the 2nd round or later have a bust rate of 75+%, he said it was second only to QBs. He listens to a bunch of podcasts so might have gotten it from one of those, but it would be an interesting thing to keep an eye on

 

[FiveThous]

So this was true 5 years ago. Can anyone show that this is still true? There have been several drafts in recent memory where rookie Wide receivers have absolutely taken over.

futhermore, a friend of mine gave an interesting stat (not sure where he got it). Apparently WRs drafted in the 2nd round or later have a bust rate of 75+%, he said it was second only to QBs. He listens to a bunch of podcasts so might have gotten it from one of those, but it would be an interesting thing to keep an eye on

2014's WR class is still clouding people's minds. It's not that often WRs have that big of an impact that soon into their careers. Cluster those handful of early WRs and it pushes a narrative that WRs should be day 1 impact players, historically that just isn't the case.

 

[Triplethreat]

So this was true 5 years ago. Can anyone show that this is still true? There have been several drafts in recent memory where rookie Wide receivers have absolutely taken over.

futhermore, a friend of mine gave an interesting stat (not sure where he got it). Apparently WRs drafted in the 2nd round or later have a bust rate of 75+%, he said it was second only to QBs. He listens to a bunch of podcasts so might have gotten it from one of those, but it would be an interesting thing to keep an eye on

Go ahead and name one?

Outside of OBJ it’s simply just not really that true. I guess Calvin Ridley? He has Julio Jones opposite him so I think I could catch 5 touchdowns in that role.

Also, here’s this.

View: https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1052219643379806208?s=21

 

[DG's wallet]

Just get this man on the fucking JUGS machine for 2 hours a day.

I want to know the root cause here. It doesn't seem to be the same problem most receivers have which is thinking about the next move and not focusing on the ball wall the way in. His egregious drops qre end zone or break away catches so wtf iw the problem

 

[dark2332]

Go ahead and name one?

Outside of OBJ it’s simply just not really that true. I guess Calvin Ridley? He has Julio Jones opposite him so I think I could catch 5 touchdowns in that role.

Also, here’s this.

View: https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1052219643379806208?s=21

I used to think it was naive to think this about an NFL staff....

....but do you think they've looked at all the clips that Baldinger has? Seriously, you think?

Because with these items the last 4 weeks, you'd really think we'd have made a personnel move by now.

 

[SixPACK]

Jesus it's been 6 games - let the kid get used to the NFL. He had an amazing catch in the NO game. He has the talent. Give it at least another full season.

I mean fuck, with his history, he hasn't failed a drug test in 6 games.

That's a damn win right there.

 

[Soda]

Just get this man on the fucking JUGS machine for 2 hours a day.

2?? Better make it 3.

 

[AZ_]

Callaway has potential.

Questions remain if Callaway has the work ethic required to reach that potential.

Simple as that, really.

Right now, he's pretty bad. You can see the potential, but he's utterly terrible right now.