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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (spoilers)

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Yeah but i bet there would be some special effects in that final battle.
Well, Star Wars is pretty much the most influential franchise when it comes to special effects. Ep 8 will have tons of special effects regardless of if or how Luke dies.
 
I was thinking something along the lines of:

As Luke is training Rey, she gets a premonition about Kylo doing something evil. Luke tells her not to go, just like Yoda/Obi-Wan did in ESB. She goes anyway, just like Luke did. However, Luke chases after her and saves Rey but is fatally injured in the process. His final words reveal to Rey what her lineage is.

I would walk out... :chuckle:

They better not rehash Empire... any more than they already have I mean.
 
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The Solo Family down the street think they are so fucking perfect. I got news for them, their kid is a two faced punk.
 
Finally getting around to watching Rogue One. I'm fifteen minutes in and this is already better than the three prequels combined.

"Congratulations, you are being rescued. Please do not resist." :chuckle:

I feel like they nailed the "used future" aspect of the original trilogy. These places look like people actually live there, unlike the prequels where everything felt fake and manufactured on a computer (which, to be fair, it largely was).
 
Alan Tudyk is the fucking MVP of this movie. Dude just kills it and he's never even on screen physically. Character reminds me of HK-47 from Knights of the Old Republic in all the best ways.
 
Final review: 9/10

Holy shit that Darth Vader scene at the end was the fucking tits. Lucas spent six hours fucking up Darth Vader. Gareth Edwards got him right in about a minute. He's not space Jesus. He's a fucking badass willing to kill anyone who steps in his way. That scene more than anything made me want a film about Vader destroying the Jedi. Not the five minute clip in Revenge where the Jedi died like a bunch of bitches, but a Force Unleashed style reckoning where Vader goes around and just annihilates everyone who stands in his way because he's a bigger badass.

Anyway, the movie itself was great. This is the first Star Wars movie I've seen since Return of the Jedi that really felt like a Star Wars movie. It looks the part and it acts the part. I loved the rag tag group of characters coming together for the greater good. That's the old trilogy in a nutshell. Unlike the prequels, none of the actors felt wasted in their roles. They all gave good to great performances. I loved that the mission at the end was essentially a suicide mission. It made sense and also made it all feel important, especially since it seemed at least several of the characters realized it was a suicide mission.

Alan Tukyk was fucking incredible. He never appears in a single frame, but he just kills it as I mentioned in my previous post. Best character in the movie. He's funny, but it all feels natural, unlike the forced comedic relief in the prequels. His comedy was due to clever dialogue and a unique character, not slapstick bullshit.

I also liked that, like the original trilogy, this was kept simple. The good guys had believable but simple motivations, as did the bad guys. As Plinkett said, you're not making The Usual Suspects here. The Empire are evil. The Rebels are not. It's not a complicated formula. They did a good job of portraying the Empire as Nazis, a much better job than Lucas did with the prequels when he got into so much complicated political bullshit that I couldn't help but not care about.

If I had to complain about anything, it'd be that Tarkin was in uncanny valley territory. I can forgive them there because the dude died, but it's worth noting that it was very noticeable that he wasn't a real person. I didn't really have the same issue with Leia at the end, but she was only in one shot, so that's probably why.

Overall, this is what I want from Star Wars. It embarrassed the prequels and was much better than Force Awakens. It gave me characters that I cared about and a story that wasn't needlessly complicated (which is what you want from a space opera). I'd easily watch a movie about the characters played by Donnie Yen and Wen Jiang. I'd watch a movie based on Forest Whitaker's character. I'd watch a movie based on Diego Luna's character. All of these characters are significantly more interesting than any of the characters from the prequels.

And again, that scene with Darth Vader at the end was the shit. More of that, please. Oh, and that shot where Vader's lightsaber lit up in the darkened hallway was just the best. That scene did more to sell Darth Vader as a threat than any scene in the prequels or the original trilogy. I loved that it wasn't needlessly flashy like literally every fucking fight scene in the prequels. It was just Darth Vader walking down a hallway and absolutely annihilating everyone who stood in his way in simple fashion.
 
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Final review: 9/10

Holy shit that Darth Vader scene at the end was the fucking tits. Lucas spent six hours fucking up Darth Vader. Gareth Edwards got him right in about a minute. He's not space Jesus. He's a fucking badass willing to kill anyone who steps in his way. That scene more than anything made me want a film about Vader destroying the Jedi. Not the five minute clip in Revenge where the Jedi died like a bunch of bitches, but a Force Unleashed style reckoning where Vader goes around and just annihilates everyone who stands in his way because he's a bigger badass.

Anyway, the movie itself was great. This is the first Star Wars movie I've seen since Return of the Jedi that really felt like a Star Wars movie. It looks the part and it acts the part. I loved the rag tag group of characters coming together for the greater good. That's the old trilogy in a nutshell. Unlike the prequels, none of the actors felt wasted in their roles. They all gave good to great performances. I loved that the mission at the end was essentially a suicide mission. It made sense and also made it all feel important, especially since it seemed at least several of the characters realized it was a suicide mission.

Alan Tukyk was fucking incredible. He never appears in a single frame, but he just kills it as I mentioned in my previous post. Best character in the movie. He's funny, but it all feels natural, unlike the forced comedic relief in the prequels. His comedy was due to clever dialogue and a unique character, not slapstick bullshit.

I also liked that, like the original trilogy, this was kept simple. The good guys had believable but simple motivations, as did the bad guys. As Plinkett said, you're not making The Usual Suspects here. The Empire are evil. The Rebels are not. It's not a complicated formula. They did a good job of portraying the Empire as Nazis, a much better job than Lucas did with the prequels when he got into so much complicated political bullshit that I couldn't help but not care about.

If I had to complain about anything, it'd be that Tarkin was in uncanny valley territory. I can forgive them there because the dude died, but it's worth noting that it was very noticeable that he wasn't a real person. I didn't really have the same issue with Leia at the end, but she was only in one shot, so that's probably why.

Overall, this is what I want from Star Wars. It embarrassed the prequels and was much better than Force Awakens. It gave me characters that I cared about and a story that wasn't needlessly complicated (which is what you want from a space opera). I'd easily watch a movie about the characters played by Donnie Yen and Wen Jiang. I'd watch a movie based on Forest Whitaker's character. I'd watch a movie based on Diego Luna's character. All of these characters are significantly more interesting than any of the characters from the prequels.

And again, that scene with Darth Vader at the end was the shit. More of that, please. Oh, and that shot where Vader's lightsaber lit up in the darkened hallway was just the best. That scene did more to sell Darth Vader as a threat than any scene in the prequels or the original trilogy. I loved that it wasn't needlessly flashy like literally every fucking fight scene in the prequels. It was just Darth Vader walking down a hallway and absolutely annihilating everyone who stood in his way in simple fashion.

I only saw it once in theaters, and really regret that. Agree with everything you've said here. I really enjoyed Diego Luna's character in particular.

Maybe the best thing about this movie was how completely consistent it was in tone. There was some humor, but it made sense coming from the only non-human in the group. The humans were all war-weary/scared/determined. Also loved how they kept alove some hope that "maybe they'll survive", but then killed them all in the end. So much more realistic and poignant than a cheesy happy ending.

One issue I've had with the whole Star Wars universe -- and I didn't even know I had it until this movie -- was that they diminished the contributions of ordinary people in favor of elevating those with the magical power of the Force. This movie actually personalizes/gives meaning to the lives of all the rebel soldiers we see killed in the other movies. They're not just redshirts -- they're actually people giving their lives for a cause.
 
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It was the best scene in star wars history, IMO. Well, action scene I suppose.

I still have a panic attack when I watch it. Not only is Vader a badass, but the Rebels sell urgency of the situation soooooo well there. It validates how important the plans were that guys were literally throwing themselves at Vader to stop him.

God that scene was incredible. God damn.
 
A lot of critics didn't like it -- I think they're just people who dislike war movies in general, which is largely what this was.
 
If I had to complain about anything, it'd be that Tarkin was in uncanny valley territory. I can forgive them there because the dude died, but it's worth noting that it was very noticeable that he wasn't a real person. I didn't really have the same issue with Leia at the end, but she was only in one shot, so that's probably why.
I agree 100%, but we are in the minority. Most people didn't realize that wasn't really Peter Cushing. Maybe because I had heard rumors they were going to CGI him, and the fact I knew he died in the 90s, I knew it wasn't him before we even saw his face. But most people loved it.
 

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