Denzel Ward

[Ohio]

Either would be a good pick. I was torn at the time because of how much we needed a shut down corner.

What I will say is both Bradley and Ward were my pics for number 4 and yet have both performed better than I expected. We could have justified either pick for sure.

This.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Who cares...regardless of your preference...we hit on the pick. That is a huge improvement over the last 10 years of drafts.

Pretty sure we hit on more first round picks (assuming continued development from everyone) the past two years than in every previous year the team has been back combined.

 

[Lee]

Pretty sure we hit on more first round picks (assuming continued development from everyone) the past two years than in every previous year the team has been back combined.

Right now we might be 5 for 5 on first round picks the last 2 years, even Peppers is looking like a good pick.

Before that their is Joe Thomas and who else? Couch? Maybe, I believed we ruined him, Mack probably but we then are stupid and let him go, Joe Haden? See previous. Johnny Manziel? Ok just seeing if you are paying attention.

So I get 3 for sure, then Couch, Braylon and Phil Taylor are huge maybes.

So that is at best 6 for 21 and at worst 3 for 21 or …….

14.3%-28.6% Vs 100% over the last 2 years. Crazy.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Right now we might be 5 for 5 on first round picks the last 2 years, even Peppers is looking like a good pick.

Before that their is Joe Thomas and who else? Couch? Maybe, I believed we ruined him, Mack probably but we then are stupid and let him go, Joe Haden? See previous. Johnny Manziel? Ok just seeing if you are paying attention.

So I get 3 for sure, then Couch, Braylon and Phil Taylor are huge maybes.

So that is at best 6 for 21 and at worst 3 for 21 or …….

14.3%-28.6% Vs 100% over the last 2 years. Crazy.

Jeff Faine. Dude was pretty good.

Warren didn't live up to his spot, but he did play like 10 years in the NFL. Those are really the only other arguments

 

[Lee]

Jeff Faine. Dude was pretty good.

Warren didn't live up to his spot, but he did play like 10 years in the NFL. Those are really the only other arguments

Fain is probably in the maybe list with Warren and BE.

Its really bad though how little we hit on the first round. League average is almost exactly 50%. If we had a monkey using any random mock draft to select our picks they would have done better and I am being serious on that.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Fain is probably in the maybe list with Warren and BE.

Its really bad though how little we hit on the first round. League average is almost exactly 50%. If we had a monkey using any random mock draft to select our picks they would have done better and I am being serious on that.

I imagine some guys we drafted probably busted due to situation too, as we haven't had a QB in two decades (until this year) and our coaching has been generally bad to godawful. There's just never been any real leadership here, and I think that has absolutely contributed to so many guys failing here over the past twenty years.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Who cares...regardless of your preference...we hit on the pick. That is a huge improvement over the last 10 years of drafts.

The other thing people seem to gloss over is that Chubb plays across from Miller.

I mean, imagine if Ward got to play opposite of Kyle Fuller as a rookie.

 

[Randolphkeys]

The other thing people seem to gloss over is that Chubb plays across from Miller.

I mean, imagine if Ward got to play opposite of Kyle Fuller as a rookie.

That's exactly what I do imagine when I see either DeAndre Baker or Greedy Williams still on the board when the Browns pick in mock drafts. Bookend edge rushers are nice, bookend shutdown corners is just as nice!

 

[dark2332]

The other thing people seem to gloss over is that Chubb plays across from Miller.

I mean, imagine if Ward got to play opposite of Kyle Fuller as a rookie.

It's actually quite the opposite.

As mentioned, Miller gets extra attention, gets chipped, etc. Thus, leaving Chubb often one-on-one with a tackle or a tight end. It's a benefit, as you say.

For a corner, playing opposite of a shutdown guy could get you exposed because they aren't going to throw at Fuller. Example, right now, no one even throws at Ward. Instead, they pick apart the likes of TJ Carrie. If he was opposite of a shutdown guy, he would get thrown at much more frequently. Thus, not necessarily a benefit for the player himself.

 

[Jordan]

That's exactly what I do imagine when I see either DeAndre Baker or Greedy Williams still on the board when the Browns pick in mock drafts. Bookend edge rushers are nice, bookend shutdown corners is just as nice!

Greedy is my top choice. He can take the big guys (like a Hopkins) and let Ward handle whoever else. We could totally shut down other teams' passing games - especially if Randall continues to be a Pro Bowler and Peppers improves.

 

[Randolphkeys]

For a corner, playing opposite of a shutdown guy could get you exposed because they aren't going to throw at Fuller. Example, right now, no one even throws at Ward. Instead, they pick apart the likes of TJ Carrie. If he was opposite of a shutdown guy, he would get thrown at much more frequently. Thus, not necessarily a benefit for the player himself.

As I look through the best teams in the NFL, all the playoff contenders have some ways to generate pass rush but also have at least three high level defensive backs. The Jags defensive backfield is the class of the NFL, but teams on the rise like the Chargers, Rams, Saints, Ravens and Texans all boast huge investments in the defensive backfield in the past two drafts. The only team I see near the top without a good defensive backfield is the Steelers.

 

[I'mWithDan]

For a corner, playing opposite of a shutdown guy could get you exposed because they aren't going to throw at Fuller. Example, right now, no one even throws at Ward. Instead, they pick apart the likes of TJ Carrie. If he was opposite of a shutdown guy, he would get thrown at much more frequently. Thus, not necessarily a benefit for the player himself.

When you have someone as good as Ward, you want teams throwing at him. Give him more opportunities to make plays and create turnovers....especially if they want to try it with their second best receiver. Ward would only benefit from having another great player opposite of him IMO.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

The defense takes a huge leap forward with Ward and Mitchell in there. TJ Carrie is just too easy a target to attack out there.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It's actually quite the opposite.

As mentioned, Miller gets extra attention, gets chipped, etc. Thus, leaving Chubb often one-on-one with a tackle or a tight end. It's a benefit, as you say.

For a corner, playing opposite of a shutdown guy could get you exposed because they aren't going to throw at Fuller. Example, right now, no one even throws at Ward. Instead, they pick apart the likes of TJ Carrie. If he was opposite of a shutdown guy, he would get thrown at much more frequently. Thus, not necessarily a benefit for the player himself.

Well, a guy like Carrie gets exposed opposite Fuller because he's not very good. But for a guy like Ward who is good, it helps out his stats in terms of passes defensed, interceptions, etc..

 

[dark2332]

Well, a guy like Carrie gets exposed opposite Fuller because he's not very good. But for a guy like Ward who is good, it helps out his stats in terms of passes defensed, interceptions, etc..

Sure, I want them to throw Ward's way, too. But my point is, it's not a huge benefit for Ward having a stud on the other side. It's not making it "easier" on him like Miller may be doing for Chubb.