The Chubb-Hub Yardage Delivery Service

[Jack Brickman]

How is it meaningless? You brought up his yards and touchdowns to paint it as a good game. I brought up that it took a whole hell of a lot of touches to get those numbers

And 3.8 isn’t going to get it done in this league. It really doesn’t matter what the circumstances around it are, that’s putrid. For a top 5 pick I don’t care what the circumstances are you’re drastically underperforming if that’s your efficiency.

Well, the argument there is that you shouldn't be taking RBs in the top five anyway, which I think we all agree on. I also think that YPC can vary drastically more based on team than individual talent.

Melvin Gordon, until this year, averaged around 3.8 or 3.9 YPC, and I think most would agree he's one of the best backs in the NFL and has been for two or three years now. He's also up to 5.4 YPC this year. Did he suddenly become a significantly better runner? Of course not. Gordon has always been good, outside of his rookie year, but he's only facing a stacked box on 18.7% of his carries this year compared to 28.9% last year, which makes it a hell of a lot easier to be efficient. Overall offensive talent and O-line matters a great deal when it comes to RB production.

To compare, Fournette faced a stacked box on 46.3% of his carries last year. I'd cite his stats for this year too but he's only played in like two and a half games so it would be relatively pointless due to sample size.

 

[Jordan]

I think Fournette is excessively overrated and have thought that since before he was drafted

Fournette runs straight rally hard. He’ll get you solid yardage, but won’t really create much himself, because his agility, hips, and vision aren’t all that great.

Guys like Chubb and Gurley, though, man they’re the whole package.

 

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[Jack Brickman]

Fournette runs straight rally hard. He’ll get you solid yardage, but won’t really create much himself, because his agility, hips, and vision aren’t all that great.

Guys like Chubb and Gurley, though, man they’re the whole package.

Yeah, Fournette's a grinder for sure. He can catch passes, though, which gives him a bit more versatility than someone like Jordan Howard. I know they've tried to add that to Howard's game this year, but it seems like they ended the experiment early and just started giving the ball to Cohen, because after week three he hasn't seen more than a single target in any game.

 

[Jordan]

Yeah, Fournette's a grinder for sure. He can catch passes, though, which gives him a bit more versatility than someone like Jordan Howard. I know they've tried to add that to Howard's game this year, but it seems like they ended the experiment early and just started giving the ball to Cohen, because after week three he hasn't seen more than a single target in any game.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I like Fournette.

For me, though, Fournette signifies the limits of your stereotypical "good" RB. He'll average ~3.8-4.0 yards per carry, can catch passes, and is very durable, but he lacks big play ability, and if his efficiency wanes at all, you won't see value in his runs. This means teams with two strong defense linemen who can slow Fournette down will be able to neutralize him. Moreover, those 3.8-4.0 YPC are nowhere near, in a vacuum, the value of a pass.

There are a few special RBs in the NFL who avoid these problems. Gurley, Kamara, Hunt, and Melvin Gordon - and seemingly Chubb and Saquan will reach this level if they are not already there - all come to mind. These are guys who average more than 4.5 yards per carry, average over 3 yards after first contact per attempt, get ~25%+ of their total yardage on big runs, and can catch the ball out of the backfield. These are the types of players that provide serious value from the RB position.

But, if you are signing or drafting a RB that is not one of these guys, the value probably just is not there. Without that type of play, a RB's success is more determined by the offensive line, and the player's ability only makes marginal increases/decreases.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I like Fournette.

For me, though, Fournette signifies the limits of your stereotypical "good" RB. He'll average ~3.8-4.0 yards per carry, can catch passes, and is very durable, but he lacks big play ability, and if his efficiency wanes at all, you won't see value in his runs. This means teams with two strong defense linemen who can slow Fournette down will be able to neutralize him. Moreover, those 3.8-4.0 YPC are nowhere near, in a vacuum, the value of a pass.

There are a few special RBs in the NFL who avoid these problems. Gurley, Kamara, Hunt, and Melvin Gordon - and seemingly Chubb and Saquan will reach this level if they are not already there - all come to mind. These are guys who average more than 4.5 yards per carry, average over 3 yards after first contact per attempt, get ~25%+ of their total yardage on big runs, and can catch the ball out of the backfield. These are the types of players that provide serious value from the RB position.

But, if you are signing or drafting a RB that is not one of these guys, the value probably just is not there. Without that type of play, a RB's success is more determined by the offensive line, and the player's ability only makes marginal increases/decreases.

To be fair, this is the first year of his career that Gordon has averaged over 4.0 YPC.

 

[Jordan]

To be fair, this is the first year of his career that Gordon has averaged over 4.0 YPC.

Definitely, he probably does not belong on that list, although he is playing out of his mind this year.

Still, that gets to my point, right. There are so few RBs that can perform at that level consistently, or even close to consistently.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Definitely, he probably does not belong on that list, although he is playing out of his mind this year.

Still, that gets to my point, right. There are so few RBs that can perform at that level consistently, or even close to consistently.

I think it has more to do with volume as well. The more volume you get, the more your YPC tends to regress to the mean. That's especially true when almost all your volume is in the run game.

Gordon is on pace to carry the ball 34 less times this year but also on pace for twenty additional targets. So he's still getting the ball roughly the same, just doing more damage in the passing game, where he's currently at 361 yards and 4 touchdowns through eight games (he missed one with injury and they've had their bye) compared to 476 yards and 4 touchdowns through all of last season, where he played all 16 games. He's on pace to absolutely shatter his receiving totals from last year, and I think the danger of him in the passing game has opened up the rushing game for him.

Fournette, on the other hand, gets a ton less work in the passing game, and unlike Gordon his team doesn't have a great QB and one of the best receivers in the game (Jacksonville has a lot of good receivers, but no stars right now). It's just a lot easier to game plan to stop Fournette because he's really his team's only major weapon right now. Bortles can beat teams sometimes, but you never know if you're getting good Bortles or bad Bortles, and the receivers are mostly at his mercy.

This is one reason that I'm very encouraged that we've started giving Chubb volume in the passing game as well as Duke. It makes our offense more unpredictable and defenses can't just stack the box every time Chubb is out there.

 

[tristan+kyrie=$]

View: https://twitter.com/browns/status/1063188606678900736?s=21
First of hopefully a bunch in his career! Go browns!

 

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[The Human Q-Tip]

Also, he was named the Pepsi Rookie of the Week for Week 10.

Baker has won it 3 times.
Chubb has one it twice.
Barkley once.

Ward and Darius Leonard also have won it twice each.

 

[Kbiz]

Nice in-depth article highlighting Chubb's veteran-like vision via Cleveland.com.

"Since taking the reins in Tampa Bay, Chubb has produced 406 yards on 78 carries-- good for 5.2 yards per carry. He has shown a propensity to flash the tools scouts raved about before the draft: power, balance, patience, change of pace.

However, the trait that Chubb has displayed weekly -- the one that separates him from his predecessors in Hyde, Isaiah Crowell, and Trent Richardson -- is his ability to use vision to set up his runs.

Chubb's ability to manipulate blocks, see schemes unfold before they move, and make defenders to make them incorrectly commit has led to some explosive runs for the Browns offense."​

 

[Hurl Bruce]

Rooting for the Browns all these years has been hard. Now, rooting for the Browns makes me hard.

View: https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1068101271163453441

 

[Jack Brickman]

Rooting for the Browns all these years has been hard. Now, rooting for the Browns makes me hard.

View: https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1068101271163453441

Fucking Frank Gore, man.

 

[chrisrich91]

Freddie Kitchens could allow Nick Chubb to call plays Sunday

It is championship week across college football, those match-ups are playing themselves out in locker rooms across the NFL. No. 1 Alabama and No. 4 Georgia meet for the SEC Championship Saturday in Mercedes-Benz Stadium, home of the Atlanta Falcons, at 4 PM ET.

The Cleveland Browns do not have any Alabama players roster but there is a big Crimson Tide graduate - offensive coordinator Freddie Kitchens. Kitchens has supposedly told one of the two Georgia players on the roster that he can call plays Sunday against the Houston Texans if the Bulldogs win Saturday.

“He says if Georgia wins, he will let me call plays," running back Nick Chubb said on NFL Network's 'Up to the Minute' with Andrew Siciliano, who is a noted Browns fans.

Fullback Orson Charles is the other Georgia player on the roster.

Kitchens is likely confident that the Crimson Tide are going to win the game. They are undefeated this season and have not played in a close game. Alabama is a 13.5 point favorite over Georgia. Despite the odds, Chubb thinks his team gets it done.

"I think Georgia is going to get it done," Chubb said.

There is familiarity between the Bulldogs and Crimson Tide. Georgia head coach Kirby Smartcoached under Alabama head coach Nick Saban from 2007-2015.

If the Bulldogs were somehow to win, it is doubtful that Kitchens would actually allow Chubb to call plays. Honestly, the running back probably does not even want that responsibility. He has been successful enough in Cleveland's offense with Kitchens calling the plays.

Kitchens was the starting quarterback for Alabama from 1993-1997. He threw for 4,668 yards and 30 touchdowns during his career. He compiled a 22-13 record as the starter with appearances in the Gator Bowl, Outback Bowl and Citrus Bowl.

Chubb was the No. 35 overall selection in the 2018 NFL Draft out of Georgia. The 22 year old has 122 carries for 663 yards and six touchdowns this season as well as nine receptions for 92 yards and two touchdowns. As a high school athlete in Cedartown, Georgia, Chubb was a freak athlete. In track and field, he was successful in long jump, shot put and the 100-meter dash. He has been named NFL Rookie of the Week twice this season. He has been nominated for NFL Rookie of the Week this week as well. Chubb was named the starting running back after the trade of veteran running back Carlos Hyde in October.

Chubb was 0-2 against Alabama in collegiate playing career. Last year, the two teams met in the College Football Playoff Championship. The Crimson Tide held Chubb to 25 rushing yards on 18 carries in a 26-23 overtime victory.

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland...-call-plays-Browns-Georgia-Alabama-125563761/



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