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Right. Dion had his own hot streak that raised expectations, but then he returned to the guy he was.
Hoyer's inaccurcy has been the one consistent in both his college and pro careers
Was that the case in Houston too? I honestly don't know - just asking.
I think he got an inflated sense of his value last year, and if he was unwilling to be a bridge QB, he had to go.
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I watched the first half. Could have gone better. Never forget, as all these terrible posts fly up today... you chased him away for a coke head who doesn't give a shit, the brittle old guy who led the NFL in turnovers a game by a wide margin, and the promise of maybe grabbing Bryce Petty. At no time did it work out for you.
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Bombing out and having the chance to take a legit QB is fine by me.
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Hoyer's playing ability was not why the Browns got rid of him. Talent-wise, he was capable of fiing the MCown role.
What ran him out of town was his attitude. He believed he had somehow earned the starter's slot for 2015, and it should be his without having to compete for it. That's lunacy. And remember, the Browns did make him a long-term offer, and he turned it down because he though it wasn't enough. I'm sure that just amplified the Brown's concern over his attitude.
At that time, we did not know if we might be acquiring another QB in the draft, through trade, or whatever. And certainly, Hoyer's performance was not such that we could declare our QB search "over". We had to keep looking.
Having a guy whose talent level is of a bridge QB who was unwilling to play that role, at least in Clevleand, was not acceptable. He wrote his own ticket out the door.
Hoyer grew up on my street. I watched him throw footballs as a kid, and was rooting for him to be successful here. But when that prima donna stuff started, that was it for me.
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The "Hoyer's attitude" thing was a derivitive of his belief that Manziel was a waste of the Browns effort, that Manziel wasn't taking preparation seriously, and therefore expecting Manziel to actually beat him out for playing time.
The bizarre framing of Manziel's failure as Hoyer's fault never made sense, and a great reason for me to dismiss Ray Farmer as a hack a year before many of you dismissed him.
I believe the past calendar year has given definitive evidence that Hoyer, who unlike McCown still has 5+ more years of football in the tank, had a damn good point. Giving Manziel "franchise face" status cost a lot of people their jobs.
Chances are, Hoyer is going to remain the bridge QB for the Texans developmental QB again next year as well. He might finally have someone worth mentoring. I'd like to see if Hoyer is able to mentor a guy like Hackenburg, drafted in the second or third round.
Until then, we are talking about a guy who ended up in the top 15-25 of starting QBs, yet again. A guy in his prime, not the shit you were forced to watch this year. Some people have fine wine tastes for the position, I get that... I just don't know how you end up a Browns fan demanding "top 10 play or bust." Hoyer was probably the best you had in the past decade.
The bizarre framing of Manziel's failure as Hoyer's fault never made sense, and a great reason for me to dismiss Ray Farmer as a hack a year before many of you dismissed him.
I believe the past calendar year has given definitive evidence that Hoyer, who unlike McCown still has 5+ more years of football in the tank, had a damn good point. Giving Manziel "franchise face" status cost a lot of people their jobs.
Chances are, Hoyer is going to remain the bridge QB for the Texans developmental QB again next year as well. He might finally have someone worth mentoring. I'd like to see if Hoyer is able to mentor a guy like Hackenburg, drafted in the second or third round.
Until then, we are talking about a guy who ended up in the top 15-25 of starting QBs, yet again. A guy in his prime, not the shit you were forced to watch this year. Some people have fine wine tastes for the position, I get that... I just don't know how you end up a Browns fan demanding "top 10 play or bust." Hoyer was probably the best you had in the past decade.
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So after 5 years Brandon Weeden will be ready to be the next starting QB of the Texans ?
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I'm fine with the shit we were forced to watch this year because it finally put us in position to draft a real quarterback. If we draft Goff and he works out, it will have easily been worth watching McCown get hurt forty times and Billy Manziel wearing a blonde wig in Vegas.
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Looking back at the past Browns season, both threads here and conversations with friends back home in Cleveland, I didn't see many others possessing your level of comfort with utter shit.